5 - Iñigo Martínez

[DonAndres]

I don't support Barcelona so have no reason to not like any Real players. I've openly defended Ramos and Arbeloa on here!

Carvajal has talent but going by comments on here from yourself, Beast etc he's much more overrated than Bartra. You made him out to be Maldini mark two the other day, in-fact most of the comments I've read about Barta have been slating him.

Also stated I think many of Varane's performances have been overrated this season and he's looked very shaky at times, i.e Dortmund away. Varane has obviously produced better performances at a higher level than Bartra and is ahead of him in that department, however I like Bartra and think he has potential and he's always impressed me playing for Spain. You also need to take into account Real are more defensive than Barcelona and Varane gets much more protection than Bartra got this year!

Varane gets more protection? He singlehandedly earned a draw against us while Carvalho sat and watched. He has made his share of errors as well though, but does that mean that he isn't one of the best young defenders in the world? No.

Most of Bartra's errors get overlooked to put him on a pedestal when in reality he's looked like a donkey many times he's played in terms of decision making. That can be attributed to lack of experience as well but to compared to Martinez and Varane he is not that impressive.

 

[JamDav1982]

Varane gets more protection? He singlehandedly earned a draw against us while Carvalho sat and watched. He has made his share of errors as well though, but does that mean that he isn't one of the best young defenders in the world? No.

Most of Bartra's errors get overlooked to put him on a pedestal when in reality he's looked like a donkey many times he's played in terms of decision making. That can be attributed to lack of experience as well but to compared to Martinez and Varane he is not that impressive.

Batra has a long way to go and has been terrible at times in the first team, which makes it worse that he looks a safer defender than Martinez in this tournament.

The type of movement Martinez has failed against tonight I have mentioned before in this thread its nothing unique to this game.

 

[DonAndres]

I watched most of his season at Sociedad and came to the conclusion he was not worth 20m long before this tournament started.

This tournament is backing that up not forming an opinion.

I knew about your opinion before, we had already discussed it. It's just the other users who come in here without having watched more than 3-4 Sociedad games and boldly claiming that he is a bad option and worse than Bartra that is unjustified. If you watched the games and honestly believe that Inigo isn't worth 20m then it's at least a validly formed opinion. It's just wrong for others to form such a bold opinion without knowing anything about the player.

 

[DavidVillano1]

I knew about your opinion before, we had already discussed it. It's just the other users who come in here without having watched more than 3-4 Sociedad games and boldly claiming that he is a bad option and worse than Bartra that is unjustified. If you watched the games and honestly believe that Inigo isn't worth 20m then it's at least a validly formed opinion. It's just wrong for others to form such a bold opinion without knowing anything about the player.

If you're talking about me, then you can take that back, because I've watched Sociedad many times this year and certainly MUCH MORE than you've watched Carvajal, but that doesn't stop you putting him as one of the best right backs in Europe, does it?

As for the protection thing, I'm wondering if you watch Barcelona or Real regularly, it's obvious Real give their defence more protection. Arbeloa is a defensive type full back, Coentrao doesn't go forward near as much as Alba, whilst none of Real's CB's go wandering like Pique. Real also have Khedira and Alonso for protection, Barcelona hardly ever have two protecting the defence.

Di Maria is also is a work horse for Real and consistently helps out defensively.

Varane is clearly one of the best young defenders in the world, the best, however he's had many bad games this year, Dortmund, City, Galatasary, Soceidad etc. However that seems to be ignored when it comes to him and Martinez for you, but Bartra doesn't get the same! Why is this?

 

[AL-MALKI]

This guy is worst than Bartra why there are talks about him coming to our club
Some scary stuff is going at our club

 

[DonAndres]

If you're talking about me, then you can take that back, because I've watched Sociedad many times this year and certainly MUCH MORE than you've watched Carvajal, but that doesn't stop you putting him as one of the best right backs in Europe, does it?

As for the protection thing, I'm wondering if you watch Barcelona or Real regularly, it's obvious Real give their defence more protection. Arbeloa is a defensive type full back, Coentrao doesn't go forward near as much as Alba, whilst none of Real's CB's go wandering like Pique. Real also have Khedira and Alonso for protection, Barcelona hardly ever have two protecting the defence.

Di Maria is also is a work horse for Real and consistently helps out defensively.

And Alexis/Pedro don't work defensively?

Yes Real have a more shielding midfield but Varane has impressed in mainly defensive line situations like breakaways or long balls, something that has nothing to do with the protection. Bartra on the other hand commonly gets frozen up even if it's 2 defenders on one attacker (vs Celta, vs Bayern, etc.). Don't take overall team behaviors to judge defenders.

And if you do watch Sociedad then how on Earth could you rate Bartra higher than Martinez. That's pretty astounding and I don't know any la liga watcher who would agree with that.

As for Carvajal. I've watched him play, I've followed his progress and it's pretty easy to see that he's been consistent and a great performer.

 

[DavidVillano1]

Please quote me on when I said Bartra was better than Martinez!?

Pretty easy to see based on youtube and other people's reviews?

 

[DonAndres]

If it wasn't you who said the Bartra thing then I apologize for that.

You act like everything I know about Carvajal only comes from videos or reviews... I've watched games and if you honestly believe Montoya is better then I'd like you to produce some evidence because I've watched both and I can tell you that it's wrong.

 

[JamDav1982]

If it wasn't you who said the Bartra thing then I apologize for that.

You act like everything I know about Carvajal only comes from videos or reviews... I've watched games and if you honestly believe Montoya is better then I'd like you to produce some evidence because I've watched both and I can tell you that it's wrong.

Yes but you also told us that Amorebieta would be a good free signing for Barcelona, I Martinez is worth 20m at a bargain and a few days ago claimed that Netherlands and Italy were favourites for this u21 tournament.

Forgive people for not taking your opinions as fact.

 

[DavidVillano1]

Was only winding you up about youtube because like your comment above saying 'it's wrong' you act like you know everything and are always spot on, which certainly is not the case! In your opinion Carvajal is better, in mines and others(Spain under 21 coach) Montoya is better.

Want me to post some youtube evidence?

 

[DonAndres]

Yes but you also told us that Amorebieta would be a good free signing for Barcelona, I Martinez is worth 20m at a bargain and a few days ago claimed that Netherlands and Italy were favourites for this u21 tournament.

Forgive people for not taking your opinions as fact.

-Amorebieta was a "why not" signing already explained that I would put no true effort into signing him
-I said the Netherlands/Italy thing at the beginning of the tournament after Spain had a relatively unconvincing win over Russia yet Italy and Netherlands were dominating. How is it in any way wild to suggest that they looked more likely to win at the time? Predictions don't have to be correct to make opinions valid.
-You, Villano, and a few others (some of who are only watching the tournament) are the few people who don't rate Inigo highly. If you don't, feel free to think that way. However most la liga fans (not just Barca fans) would agree that Inigo is a great talent that's worth 20 million.

 

[spark]

I knew about your opinion before, we had already discussed it. It's just the other users who come in here without having watched more than 3-4 Sociedad games and boldly claiming that he is a bad option and worse than Bartra that is unjustified. If you watched the games and honestly believe that Inigo isn't worth 20m then it's at least a validly formed opinion. It's just wrong for others to form such a bold opinion without knowing anything about the player.

You talk about three or four games yet you were here saying a few months ago that Manquillo had the most potential of the young RB's in Spain.

 

[DonAndres]

Was only winding you up about youtube because like your comment above saying 'it's wrong' you act like you know everything and are always spot on, which certainly is not the case! In your opinion Carvajal is better, in mines and others(Spain under 21 coach) Montoya is better.

Want me to post some youtube evidence?

I'm not always spot on but don't act like your Montoya comment is 100% right either. Keep trying to ridicule me over "youtube" but as I've seen both players regularly, my opinion has more backup than someone who outright states Montoya is better without having watched Carvajal.

 

[JamDav1982]

-Amorebieta was a "why not" signing already explained that I would put no true effort into signing him
-I said the Netherlands/Italy thing at the beginning of the tournament after Spain had a relatively unconvincing win over Russia yet Italy and Netherlands were dominating. How is it in any way wild to suggest that they looked more likely to win at the time? Predictions don't have to be correct to make opinions valid.
-You, Villano, and a few others (some of who are only watching the tournament) are the few people who don't rate Inigo highly. If you don't, feel free to think that way. However most la liga fans (not just Barca fans) would agree that Inigo is a great talent that's worth 20 million.

Speaking for the majority of La Liga fans now??

Lets see who pays £20m for him this summer then as plenty of teams have the money to so.

 

[DonAndres]

You talk about three or four games yet you were here saying a few months ago that Manquillo had the most potential of the young RB's in Spain.

He does look like he has most potential, does that mean he is a better player at the moment? Far from it. Potential vs Current Ability are two very different comparisons with different criteria