Gilberto
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Actually I don't think Zidane has given youth a lot of chances...
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Actually I don't think Zidane has given youth a lot of chances...
Common. He plays some youngsters almost every week. Without even mentioning the cup.
What youngsters?
- Llorente is 23 years old and shouldn't be considered as a youngster anymore. He barely plays too. Plays every cups, but Aleña does that too.
- Hakimi barely plays lool. Zidane refuse to play him often after his disasterclass performance. Lool even Nacho plays over him in the RB position.
- Borja Mayoral barely played this season. Can't remember him playing many games. Maybe in few games where is subbed on for Benzema.
I want Aleña to be subbed in when we are winning. Just give him the chance and let him play so maybe he can start games when he has improved alot.
- Llorente is 23 years old and shouldn't be considered as a youngster anymore. He barely plays too. Plays every cups, but Aleña does that too.
- Hakimi barely plays lool. Zidane refuse to play him often after his disasterclass performance. Lool even Nacho plays over him in the RB position.
- Borja Mayoral barely played this season. Can't remember him playing many games. Maybe in few games where is subbed on for Benzema.
I want Aleña to be subbed in when we are winning. Just give him the chance and let him play so maybe he can start games when he has improved alot.
Vallejo played 7 matches.
Theo - 19.
Ceballos - 19.
Asensio plays all the time.
And Borja played in 20 matches so you are way off on him as well.
Now compare that with Valverde. Zidane gives Real Madrid youngsters a lot of chances compared to any top club out there nevermind Barcelona.
So maybe Perez and Zidane do have a sound plan. After winning much expected 10th CL title they decided they didn't need to go crazy on the market and are re-building plus saving for the new stadium or whatever.
Theo - 19.
Ceballos - 19.
Asensio plays all the time.
And Borja played in 20 matches so you are way off on him as well.
Now compare that with Valverde. Zidane gives Real Madrid youngsters a lot of chances compared to any top club out there nevermind Barcelona.
So maybe Perez and Zidane do have a sound plan. After winning much expected 10th CL title they decided they didn't need to go crazy on the market and are re-building plus saving for the new stadium or whatever.
serghei
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Yes, Zidane is giving time to young players. Even Hakimi who is nothing special got to start some important games, like vs Tottenham on Bernabeu.
But, while they have a pretty good chance of winning the CL, if they don't win it, the season is a totally failed one for them.
It's win the CL or bust this season for them. That's not a great position to be in.
That being said, next season Valverde needs to start building a new team, with Coutinho, Semedo, Dembele, even Arthur, maybe Alena, maybe Griezmann. Somehow, he'll need to put all these very young, or young but mature (Cou & Griezmann) players into the first eleven.
It would have helped if Alena was given more playing time in the first team. He's more talented than a few young players that got more chances under Zidane at Madrid. It's pretty clear that Zidane is trusting youth more than Valverde.
But, while they have a pretty good chance of winning the CL, if they don't win it, the season is a totally failed one for them.
It's win the CL or bust this season for them. That's not a great position to be in.
That being said, next season Valverde needs to start building a new team, with Coutinho, Semedo, Dembele, even Arthur, maybe Alena, maybe Griezmann. Somehow, he'll need to put all these very young, or young but mature (Cou & Griezmann) players into the first eleven.
It would have helped if Alena was given more playing time in the first team. He's more talented than a few young players that got more chances under Zidane at Madrid. It's pretty clear that Zidane is trusting youth more than Valverde.
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khaled_a_d
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Both Pep and Zidane were B team coaches and those are most likely to promote youth more. Pep didn't repeat anywhere else and unlikely Zidan will do it in his next job. And Pep promoted 3 players in his first 3 years anyway, EV is one player short of his Pep
This however is also true in current situation, we will need one more decade until our fans get over Pep hangover. People still doubts a brilliant coach like Lucho after all what he won, almost every coach after Pep will never be highly rated no matter what he does, this fact will make us:
1-No highly rated coach will risk to come here to be just another coach who win because of Messi or because of what Pep said and never get fans credit of what he has done.
2-The coaches who will hire (most likely middle table good coaches like EV & Lucho) will look for building their CV, we are another team in their CV. they will want to win more than anything.
Bottom line: People shouldn't expect a youth friendly coach anytime soon, Only Lucho tried to do so and it backfired with Munir and Sandro doing terribly
This however is also true in current situation, we will need one more decade until our fans get over Pep hangover. People still doubts a brilliant coach like Lucho after all what he won, almost every coach after Pep will never be highly rated no matter what he does, this fact will make us:
1-No highly rated coach will risk to come here to be just another coach who win because of Messi or because of what Pep said and never get fans credit of what he has done.
2-The coaches who will hire (most likely middle table good coaches like EV & Lucho) will look for building their CV, we are another team in their CV. they will want to win more than anything.
Bottom line: People shouldn't expect a youth friendly coach anytime soon, Only Lucho tried to do so and it backfired with Munir and Sandro doing terribly
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jamrock
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Re pep isn't not a matter of straight up promoting kids about giving them chances to see if they have what it takes for them to successed and regarding that it was way more than 3, kinda like zidane not everyone will be promoted. But he is giving them a chance to see who will fit the bill.
Pep also game young players like kimmich & comam chances at Bayern
That Ukrainian kid, foden and Diaz at City.
But yeah largely what you are saying & what I was is right, most coaches won't look to do that, although rijkaard did as well & he was probably more of a risk & under more pressure than valverde.
Pep also game young players like kimmich & comam chances at Bayern
That Ukrainian kid, foden and Diaz at City.
But yeah largely what you are saying & what I was is right, most coaches won't look to do that, although rijkaard did as well & he was probably more of a risk & under more pressure than valverde.
JamDav1982
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Foden and Diaz have barely played.
Alena has played more first team minutes than Diaz and Dembele has played more regularly than Zinchenko.
Even Foden who has largely played meaningless minutes has not played much more than Alena.
Really there are not any other young players that would expect to be getting more minutes at moment at Barca. Alena maybe but he still has a long way to go.
Alena has played more first team minutes than Diaz and Dembele has played more regularly than Zinchenko.
Even Foden who has largely played meaningless minutes has not played much more than Alena.
Really there are not any other young players that would expect to be getting more minutes at moment at Barca. Alena maybe but he still has a long way to go.
jamrock
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JamDav1982
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Some games in league cup and FA cup barely at all in league.
Was always going to get those minutes in cups with Mendy injury as well.
jamrock
Senior Member
Thiago also got a bucket load of "minutes" and where is he now?
Not everything is about stats everyone can see themselves.
Also comparing dembele to anyone mentioned is a no no.
Point his the Ukrainian kid as gotten a bunch of quality minutes in real games.
Foden was injured for large parts of the season but started against basel in the CL last 16, yes the game was over with but can we imagine valverde doing something similar? Nope
Diaz as also played some meaningful minutes and made the bench & train with the squad almost exclusively.
These are things that show a young player you have faith in them.
Not playing them against segunda b teams and meaningless friendies.
JamDav1982
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Diaz hasnt been training with the first team exclusively and Pep would love to have a B team to play him in more often in.
Zinchenko has got some minutes at 21 when the two players who would play left back have been injured.
Foden as well some cup games and largely minutes when nothing at stake.
As I said Dembele has played more regularly when fit than Zichenko and Alena has played around same as Foden/Diaz.
There are no young players at 18,19,20 really pushing for first team bar Alena and Dembele already in squad so not like EV is ignoring anyone.
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