8 - Pedri

Porque

Senior Member
I have said since the beginning, he doesn't see enough. It's right to play safe, but you need to play correctly when the opening appears.
This season is the first since maybe 7 years ago that Barcelona consisted of mostly technical and intelligent players, but they were badly managed and set up in the wrong way.

This was Pedri at Las Palmas. A naturally more vertical uninhibited player. Alot of repeat actions actually (Get the ball, turn, dribble a bit then fire a long precise pass- usually to the right side. Largely ignoring reversing the play). It is actually quite Puig-esque.

It made me wonder that perhaps the difference we saw of him earlier in the season was because we were playing with the 4231 as Koeman initially tried to get the team playing vertically with speed. Maybe the turn to a more lethargic closed game has led him to cap his own game, coupled with a bit of tiredness and a bit of Messidepencia.

Makes you realise how much of a livewire Puig is and how mentality strong he is to maintain his game despite all the setbacks. Probably why he is still tasting the bench too :lol:

 
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feggydinho

Senior Member
His finishing is worse than Timo Werner. Even sunday league players has better finishing. Can't believe most of the forum members are warming up to this guy as the future. If he is the future, our future will be as dark as tonight.

At least Dembele has gotten someone who has worse finishing ability than he does
 

JamDav1982

Senior Member
Has looked better deeper on pitch than further up as season went on.

Be as well going him and FDJ in a two where each have a bit more freedom to press and push on when other covers and Messi at AM.
 

BBZ8800

Senior Member
I have a feeling that something went wrong with these Barca DNA midfielders.

Thiago, Arthur, Pedri, Riki Puig.

More or less none of them can shoot and score.
It is visible that they grew up watching football during Pep and that they adopted only one part of the game: pass, move, recycle possession to death.

Each of these players would be a valuable part of Pep's team.
But there is a problem:
1. Pep is not here
2. no other coach plays like Pep
3. Pep's team had enough of attacking power with Messi, Etoo, Henry or Messi, Villa, Pedro.

So, for example, if we would be creating 15-20 shots per match and if we would have prime Messi-Haaland attack, then guys like Pedri or Arthur wouldn't be a problem.
They would recycle possession and attackers would score.

Imo, these players can thrive only in perfect conditions with perfect teammates.

When the times are not perfect, which happens in 90% of years, players like these are meh and don't expect from them to lead the team or create wonders.

Our attack is bad and then we have 3 midfielders who need 28 shots to score one goal.

Fans need to realize that Xavi-Iniesta-Busi was an anomaly.
We won in spite of their shitty finishing, not because of their lack of finishing.

There are just too many players in our team who can only play possession and who can pass *to someone else who is supposed to score* like Alba, Dest, Busi, Frenkie, Pedri.
Plus, our attack is meh.

All in all, Pedri is slowly turning into Arthur at CAM position.
Meh at everything except possession.

** btw is this Barca DNA for 2025 and 2030 = no physique, no aggression, no pace, no shooting, no scoring.

Just passing, passing, passing till death.

Btw, I haven't watched other football clubs for almost 10 years, except Barca.

Lately, watching Barca is so boring, slow, predictable and horrible that I started to have more fun watching anyone else like Milan, Roma, EPL etc.

Also, imo, too many Barca & La Masia purists are making a mistake = they think that Barca DNA, midfielders and La Masia brought 2008-2011 glory.

Imo, Barca DNA and our midfielders are nothing without a key ingredient = attacking power/superstars in attack.

Of course, superstars won't work without midfield either.

But as I have wrote above, we don't have any attacking power and it will be even worse after Messi, and yet our midfield is some cheap copy of glorious midfield from the past.

This combo doesn't deserve more than the 3rd place and round of 16 in a CL.
Regardless of a coach, Mats and defense, who also suck, of course.
 

te amo barca

Blaugrana al vent
BBZ makes a good point. Pedri really needs to step up his G+A contribution, attack-minded players have to produce a better end product these days.
 

raedkuwait

Senior Member
I have a feeling that something went wrong with these Barca DNA midfielders.

Thiago, Arthur, Pedri, Riki Puig.

More or less none of them can shoot and score.
It is visible that they grew up watching football during Pep and that they adopted only one part of the game: pass, move, recycle possession to death.

Each of these players would be a valuable part of Pep's team.
But there is a problem:
1. Pep is not here
2. no other coach plays like Pep
3. Pep's team had enough of attacking power with Messi, Etoo, Henry or Messi, Villa, Pedro.

So, for example, if we would be creating 15-20 shots per match and if we would have prime Messi-Haaland attack, then guys like Pedri or Arthur wouldn't be a problem.
They would recycle possession and attackers would score.

Imo, these players can thrive only in perfect conditions with perfect teammates.

When the times are not perfect, which happens in 90% of years, players like these are meh and don't expect from them to lead the team or create wonders.

Our attack is bad and then we have 3 midfielders who need 28 shots to score one goal.

Fans need to realize that Xavi-Iniesta-Busi was an anomaly.
We won in spite of their shitty finishing, not because of their lack of finishing.

There are just too many players in our team who can only play possession and who can pass *to someone else who is supposed to score* like Alba, Dest, Busi, Frenkie, Pedri.
Plus, our attack is meh.

All in all, Pedri is slowly turning into Arthur at CAM position.
Meh at everything except possession.

** btw is this Barca DNA for 2025 and 2030 = no physique, no aggression, no pace, no shooting, no scoring.

Just passing, passing, passing till death.

Btw, I haven't watched other football clubs for almost 10 years, except Barca.

Lately, watching Barca is so boring, slow, predictable and horrible that I started to have more fun watching anyone else like Milan, Roma, EPL etc.

Also, imo, too many Barca & La Masia purists are making a mistake = they think that Barca DNA, midfielders and La Masia brought 2008-2011 glory.

Imo, Barca DNA and our midfielders are nothing without a key ingredient = attacking power/superstars in attack.

Of course, superstars won't work without midfield either.

But as I have wrote above, we don't have any attacking power and it will be even worse after Messi, and yet our midfield is some cheap copy of glorious midfield from the past.

This combo doesn't deserve more than the 3rd place and round of 16 in a CL.
Regardless of a coach, Mats and defense, who also suck, of course.

On point and totally Agree with this.
Ok pedri is 18, but he is slow, cant create and
Cant shoot. Doubt any of those will develop.
 

Richard.H

Senior Member
I am very pissed too like many cules, but Pedri is one of the bigger reasons why we fought for the league title. If he was properly rotated like RK should've done instead of holding grudges against the benched mids, then we would be speaking a different story.
 

BBZ8800

Senior Member
He's 18....

You guys need to learn to spot player's DNA/natural skills in his play.

I have talked about this a lot in the past.
The thing is: each of us and each player has his footballing traits/DNA and instincts.
Those traits make him who he is and those are very hard to change with years.

I will write some examples of player's DNA/natural traits:
Mats = saving shots with feet, bending his knees down during shots, saving shots with feet and body instead with hands (like a handball GK).
-- now look at the age: was Mats different aged 22?
No. His DNA was the same.
-- did he change over years?
No. His DNA remained the same.

Another example: Arthur.
People always replied: he is young, he will learn how to make forward passes, blah blah.
My opinion was always: that is his DNA. He can't change.
His first instinct when he recieves the ball is = NOT to pass it forward but to make a turn and avoid a player running at him.
So, his natural instintcs aren't to look forward but NOT to lose the ball.
And what is happening in his brain when he gets the ball?
= his natural instincts come first and in the first moment he will ALWAYS AUTOMATICALLY make that little turn and slow down, and only a few seconds after that, he will turn on his LOGICAL brain and realize: oh wait, a coach told me to pass the ball forward and then he will "MANUALLY" pass the ball forward.
Now, look at Arthur from Gremio and Arthur aged 25.
Has his game changed even a bit?
No.
Has he improved in forward passing?
No.
Why?
= because that is his footballing DNA, he can't kill his natural instincts.

Another example about whom I used to write is Neymar.
The same.
What are his natural instincts?
= to dribble, play like a clown, please the fans, showboating, fighting with everyone.
He played like that at Santos and at Barca and Psg.
The only time when a coach forced him to play faster was in 2015 when he was very good.
But, what happened?
His change of a behavior didn't last long.
Why?
= because you can't kill your natural instincts for too long. You will usually return to your basics and to who you are.
And Neymar lately again plays like a good, old clown Neymar: slowing down the play, dribbling too much, showboating instead of playing simple and efficient.
He is 29. Has his natural game changed since the age of 20 and Santios days?
No.

So, that is a story about player's footballing personality and his natural instincts and skills.

Yet, people on internet too often give too much credits to players and think that everything can be changed and learned.
With Arthur:
1. he had a poor stamina. People would reply: he is young, he will improve.
2. he couldn't make a forward pass. People would reply: he is young, he will improve.
3. he was shit at defending. People would reply: he is young, he will improve.

The thing is: majority of things will be improved only a little bit.

Also, there are some additional rules with young players.
1. it is easier to turn the attacking player who is bad at defending into a midfielder who has learned how to defend, than: turning a defensive player into an attacking player.
So, for example, Rakitic or KDB, who were CAMs or attackers in early days CAN be transformed into midfielders who can defend.
On the other hand, it is way harder to transform Arthur into an attacking player.
My point: it is easier to learn defending and tactics during 20s than to improve your attacking skills and creativity.

2. the same, it is easier to teach a player who dribbles too much = into a player who dribbles less.
Than to teach a player who never dribbles/or who can't dribble = into a player who dribbles.

3. the same is with shooting. If a player is shooting too often, he can be tuned down to some extent.
But if a player never shoots or if he is horrible at shooting = you can't do too much about it.

Now, let's go to Pedri.
He never shots, and when he does shoot, his shots are atrocious.
He could work on his shooting accuracy to some extent, but he will never change his DNA where he doesn't want to shoot.
Or if he'll shoot, those will never be natural shots (in a split of a second), but forced shots because a coach told him so.

Also, another thing that annoys me lately in Pedri's game = are those tiny tricks which lead to nothing.
Example: he gets the ball on the left, near Alba.
And Pedri gets surrounded by 3 opponents.
In that situation, someone like Rakitic would have lost the ball, true.
Pedri often finds a way with dribbling through 3 guys, or he makes a nutmeg or he somehow finds a way out of that situation, BUT then he does absolutely nothing.
Instead of taking the advantage of leaving 3 players behind his back which could open a space for a shot or a counter, he often: gets rid of three players ONLY to make a backpass/sidepass to Busi.
So, literally: he makes an awesome move with getting rid of 2-3 opponents and then spoils everything with passing the ball back and letting those 2 opponents to return on their positions.

So, on the eye test, Pedri looks way better than he really is.
If you are watching him: he is good at press resistance, he is doing lots of tiny flicks, silky passes, nutmegs, chips and similar.
But when you put it on a paper: ok, has he actually created something or scored some goals? You get meh stats.

So, for now:
-- a lot of fancy flicks and passes
-- not too much is happening after those passes
-- can't shoot

To some extent, similar when Isco is running in circles with the ball: it looks fancy, you can't take the ball from him but on the other hand: absolutely nothing is happening attacking wise for your team.
 
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