9 - Robert Lewandowski

[Maradona37]

@Messi983

I thought more about your post mate, and while you make many good points, the idea that quality is being diluted by quantity (as in just about every aspect of life) is so true. We see so many more games now because young kids who live on twitter need to see 'Bellingham and Vini's skillz' and can't go a few weeks without seeing them or getting their fix.

That brings on me on to something else that annoys me - this explosion in YouTube personalities. Basically grifters with no qualifications but talk like they're an authority on the game and make a career out of it by appealing to the gullible. This even extends to football matches, this new 'Baller League' (even the term baller is a cynical, marketing one in this instance as the word 'baller' is a gen Z thing that cropped up or at least became more prevalent in recent years to describe a good footballer) and these guys getting on Sky Sports because it isn't about quality analysis, but about clicks. You seen it a lot with Arsenal Fan TV - yeah it is funny and entertaining (or was when they were garbage) but in a car crash way, like reality television. Then you have Goldbridge, who talks nonsense. One guy who irritates me is this guy called Statman Dave, who has a following but posts the most out of context stats about players on twitter to make out like they had a good game for people who didn't even watch the game (he's a United fan too). He has a YouTube channel full of these outlandish claims: 'why Ugarte/Hojlund/Zirkzee/Dorgu and so on WILL fix United' as if he's some sort of prophet. I mean it is complete nonsense, and from watching the videos it is clear he is a theory man who understands football as if players are robots and play in a spreadsheet, and doesn't understand the concept of intangibles of the game. The guy seems like a theorist, and a bad one at that. Yet guys like him and others have impressionable kids (and even adults) hanging off their every word despite being wrong time and time again, as he clearly has been. I don't even think he believes half of it, he's just making a living in a shallow way.

Apologies for ranting, but that is something else that annoys me. Half of us know more about the game (easily) than these lads, yet they seem like they have monetised their clueless ravings by appealing to people who are more interested in banter and 'football twitter' than any decent or quality or objective analysis of the game.

Then there's the guys who take Fantasy Premier League like it's the most serious thing ever (I know I play prediction games but they're just fun for me, and I only get serious when I do well like I am in the PL game) and hide 'tips' (that most people if they engaged their brain could figure out for themselves) behind paywalls.

And even the actual journalists tend to be clueless and full of their own arrogance too.

And - as I say - all these clowns are being financially successful doing this and actually infiltrating the game and becoming pally with ex pros. I am not saying it was different back in the day, but this new rise of 'YouTube expert' is deeply grating.

And the oversaturation of this is ridiculous. It's 24/7, day in day out. As you imply, football is like New York - it never sleeps. Some people in the game and on its fringes really need to learn that less is indeed more.

It's just a complete clown show.

 

[Maradona37]

@TemporaryFan

Lol @Messi983 is only replying here because that's where my novel about the issues with the modern game and celebrity worship (in response to Grande) was posted.

I am also 110 percent sure that Messi's issues with football extent way way beyond Robert Lewandowski

 

[soul24rage]

Good post.

We've already discussed in the past that I also don't enjoy modern football anymore. Still watch because I'm used to but have hard time being fully focused or entertained for 90 (well, more like 100+ minutes these days with extended added time in most games) minutes regardless of who plays so often just have some football game(s) in the background on TV (or go through multiple of them) while I play FM or do other stuff.

Agree with you that people's unhealthy obsession with certain players is ruining both the game and society (that is fecked up anyway and I have zero hope for) but an even bigger factor is the money involved these days alongside corrupted dictators at the top of clubs and organizations like La Liga, UEFA, FIFA,... Pretending like they care about the players but all they see is the money. If people in charge would actually care about the product they would decrease number of games and let players recover and be at their best in every game.

Instead they are adding new irrelevant competitions almost every year and most players are playing injured/unfit and then people wonder why they are not as good anymore. As a fan (or more a follower nowadays) would appreciate if I'd see less games but of a higher quality. Instead they mostly replaced quality with quantity because people (mostly those you've mentioned who worship players like semi-Gods) don't care and still pay big money for this highly devalued product.

Fixtures are also getting closer to NBA/NHL ones and I'm sure people in charge would love to make it like a MLB season playing every day if they could. People there don't care if they lose a game because they have another one in a day or two and football is going the same direction. Long gone are the days when you had a full week between two games and could appreciate an important win or think what went wrong in a loss. Excitement was also higher when you had to wait to watch your favorite team for a longer time. Now there isn't the same buzz anymore.

This is why players like Messi are so needed.

The magic that he produces is something that will be remembered for years to come and totally worth watching 90+ minute.

 

[Fati_Future_BallonDor]

@Messi983

I thought more about your post mate, and while you make many good points, the idea that quality is being diluted by quantity (as in just about every aspect of life) is so true. We see so many more games now because young kids who live on twitter need to see 'Bellingham and Vini's skillz' and can't go a few weeks without seeing them or getting their fix.

That brings on me on to something else that annoys me - this explosion in YouTube personalities. Basically grifters with no qualifications but talk like they're an authority on the game and make a career out of it by appealing to the gullible. This even extends to football matches, this new 'Baller League' (even the term baller is a cynical, marketing one in this instance as the word 'baller' is a gen Z thing that cropped up or at least became more prevalent in recent years to describe a good footballer) and these guys getting on Sky Sports because it isn't about quality analysis, but about clicks. You seen it a lot with Arsenal Fan TV - yeah it is funny and entertaining (or was when they were garbage) but in a car crash way, like reality television. Then you have Goldbridge, who talks nonsense. One guy who irritates me is this guy called Statman Dave, who has a following but posts the most out of context stats about players on twitter to make out like they had a good game for people who didn't even watch the game (he's a United fan too). He has a YouTube channel full of these outlandish claims: 'why Ugarte/Hojlund/Zirkzee/Dorgu and so on WILL fix United' as if he's some sort of prophet. I mean it is complete nonsense, and from watching the videos it is clear he is a theory man who understands football as if players are robots and play in a spreadsheet, and doesn't understand the concept of intangibles of the game. The guy seems like a theorist, and a bad one at that. Yet guys like him and others have impressionable kids (and even adults) hanging off their every word despite being wrong time and time again, as he clearly has been. I don't even think he believes half of it, he's just making a living in a shallow way.

Apologies for ranting, but that is something else that annoys me. Half of us know more about the game (easily) than these lads, yet they seem like they have monetised their clueless ravings by appealing to people who are more interested in banter and 'football twitter' than any decent or quality or objective analysis of the game.

Then there's the guys who take Fantasy Premier League like it's the most serious thing ever (I know I play prediction games but they're just fun for me, and I only get serious when I do well like I am in the PL game) and hide 'tips' (that most people if they engaged their brain could figure out for themselves) behind paywalls.

And even the actual journalists tend to be clueless and full of their own arrogance too.

And - as I say - all these clowns are being financially successful doing this and actually infiltrating the game and becoming pally with ex pros. I am not saying it was different back in the day, but this new rise of 'YouTube expert' is deeply grating.

And the oversaturation of this is ridiculous. It's 24/7, day in day out. As you imply, football is like New York - it never sleeps. Some people in the game and on its fringes really need to learn that less is indeed more.

It's just a complete clown show.

Thats why a Cristiano was so important for the next generation, his work hunger and obsession for football was needed to inspire the young kids.
I dont want to know how the next generation will develop, with Vini and Mbappe as role models. Football is dying guys!

 

[Messi983]

That brings on me on to something else that annoys me - this explosion in YouTube personalities.

Well, these are easy to ignore, don't even know who these guys you've mentioned are. Only know Arsenal fan TV but never watched it besides a few funny clips that were posted here or in a few other football forums I visit(ed) when they had meltdowns. But overall I don't give these people clicks or views. Won't help much because other people clearly do care about their opinions, "make them famous" and bring them money though.

I also almost never watch pre/after-game analysis or "HT shows" - sounds so American, lol (games itself are getting too long as mentioned in previous post and if I'd watch these as well would waste 2,5 if not 3 hours) because pundits there don't have much to say. Mostly former players who have played at at least respectable if not very good level and you would expect them to have solid understanding of the game but just like (or probably even more so) being a good player doesn't always make you a good coach - good players also don't turn into good pundits. If they at least have an interesting personality then they can get away a bit with their lack of knowledge but if they are boring as hell while saying nonsense they shouldn't really be in that position. And most pundits (at least those I know) are in that second group.

This is why players like Messi are so needed.

The magic that he produces is something that will be remembered for years to come and totally worth watching 90+ minute.

Messi is unique but players who can produce magic are also a dying breed. Footballers these days are turned into robots and coaches want to fit them into their systems without letting them express themselves. I think post Barca Pep is one of the main reasons for that. His obssesion with winning a CL has turned City into a well oiled machine but with little room for individual inspirations. It was successful for a long period but in time became boring and nowadays is ineffective. And ofc then you have a lot of coaches trying to copy what worked for Pep with more or less success. Or OTOH trying to find ways to stop him but ofc not many coaches these days have tactical knowledge (and shithousery) of a prime Mourinho either.

Most people have now accepted that robotism as a new form of football. Take Yamal as an example. You already have folk here complaining he's arrogant, doesn't pass to Lewy (lol), doesn't score enough or doesn't work off the ball. Some of those criticism are valid (sometimes we forget how young he is and ofc needs to develop certain parts of his game) but how can we expect him to become the best player he can with these demands of modern football where everyone is supposed to be perfect and we have people writting off 19 year old players that normally need more time to develop. 10-15 years ago they would get that time but in this social media driven era they are 1. overhyped and 2. thrown into the trash can all within 6-18 months. Talking from a fan perspective but clubs often think the same too. Especially those at the top level who are under constant pressure to get results.

Everything is overanalyzed in fast pace (just like the world we live in) and there is little patience. You are either good enough early in your career or you'll never make it. So many things are wrong with this line of thinking but it's the way I believe many (especially young people who are more affected by social media) are considering football these days. But that's not just a problem of football, it's the whole black and white perspective of the world where things are either the best they could be or you are having the worst day of your life.

 

[Grande]

The funny thing is, you are calling me a trolling autistic weirdo (lol) yet I have made this point many moons ago on here, long before you did. Caring about people who are completely irrelevant in your life, and total strangers. See Dembele thread and others. The only difference is you're putting these guys on pedestals for materialistic bollocks like 'money and ambition', whereas I don't.

Football means FUCK ALL and footballers are otherwise mostly useless cunts who happen to be world-class at something that is unfortunately in severe demand. See C Ronaldo, who displays every negative personality and intellect trait under the sun, and has absolutely nothing going for him other than being good at football. He would be in the gutter right now if football hadn't granted him an escape, he'd be the absolute dregs of society. That goes for many other clueless players, too.

I love (or more accurately loved) watching football, but if I had the chance to wave a magic wand and wipe the professional game from existence tomorrow, I would do it without hesitating. That includes Barca and Messi, by the way. It's causing so much harm to society, as are other forms of entertainment.

You're as bad as anyone though as you sound like you think you're inferior to Messi (bit ironic you calling me autistic while licking Messi's hole...) just because he's a football genius. When, in every other human respect, he is utterly unremarkable.

There's a serious problem in this society with putting celebrities - and especially footballers - on pedestals for being top class at one thing that is in demand, but ultimately doesn't even fucking matter.

I don't feel inferior to Messi myself - he's miles better at football than me but I am better than him in other ways. The fact he's so superior in the thing that is most in demand means fuck all to me.

Nobody should ever be treating footballers like they are gods, like Tempt does with Lewy, Beckham and Ronaldo, or Fati does with Ronaldo, or guys do with Messi. It's weird and a slippery slope to worshipping false gods. Messi is the greatest player ever but I have said many times I think he's a bit of a cock and I'd actively avoid him in person. Ditto Ronaldo. Ditto Maradona, who I maybe like as a player even more than Messi, but was a criminal.

I just really don't value being a football genius when weighed up against all the other stuff in life that matters more.

Btw, I stream on IPTV, refuse to pay for tickets to stadiums (as they get more and more expensive and the games and experience get worse and more identikit) and rarely if ever buy football merchandise or shirts. I put very little to no money into the game, by design, so I can say most of this without being a hypocrite.

People say medical staff keep us alive and entertainers make us want to be alive. I still think people who save lives are way more important than fucking footballers, actors and singers, who are mostly delusional cunts high on their own self-importance.

I dont feel inferior to Messi. I just think, with my limited knowledge about him personally, that he is humble and a good human (maybe i'm wrong, I dont know him) and hes the greatest football player of all times. Thats why i'm talking about him the way i talk - but its semi-ironic, i dont think I'm inferior for real.

In terms of me being offensive to you - to be honest? I'm sorry. I think it's easy to get into conflict with you, i dont know, maybe thats your personality. But i'm seriously sorry - i shouldnt be so mad about you, you're just a football internet forum user. You have your own problems I have no clue about. I just break up with my girlfriend and our last weeks were hard to handle. Her mother is a fucking maniac, bipolar dumbass. I worked so hard for a year and a half for her surgery and her mother destroyed everything, including her surgery and our relationship.

I know i sometimes sound like a sociopath. I'm not a sociopath. In reality, i'm a really tender person. I was so frustrated and angry and everyone, I was perceiving everyone as a horrible human being.

Yesterday, I leave our house and move to another place and I'm trying to heal myself and start everything from zero, since i'm destroyed financially, mentally and emotionally. My heart is broken. Shes sending me messages about her being still in love with me while calling me a bastard at the same time.

I'm sorry Maradona37. Life is hard sometimes but atleast I'm trying to be intelectually fair at the end of the day and you deserve my apologies, even if you made some mistakes too.

Take care of yourself and respect yourself - dont get into a relationship with problematic girl never ever, you're gonna sacrifice your life for her and shes gonna be so ungrateful after breakup, you cant even imagine. Even if she loves your for real - some people can be in true love with you and still be toxic asf. That was my case.

Cheers

 

[Catta]

Thats why a Cristiano was so important for the next generation, his work hunger and obsession for football was needed to inspire the young kids.
I dont want to know how the next generation will develop, with Vini and Mbappe as role models. Football is dying guys!

Remind me, who was their role model?

 

[Maradona37]

Well, these are easy to ignore, don't even know who these guys you've mentioned are. Only know Arsenal fan TV but never watched it besides a few funny clips that were posted here or in a few other football forums I visit(ed) when they had meltdowns. But overall I don't give these people clicks or views. Won't help much because other people clearly do care about their opinions, "make them famous" and bring them money though.

I also almost never watch pre/after-game analysis or "HT shows" - sounds so American, lol (games itself are getting too long as mentioned in previous post and if I'd watch these as well would waste 2,5 if not 3 hours) because pundits there don't have much to say. Mostly former players who have played at at least respectable if not very good level and you would expect them to have solid understanding of the game but just like (or probably even more so) being a good player doesn't always make you a good coach - good players also don't turn into good pundits. If they at least have an interesting personality then they can get away a bit with their lack of knowledge but if they are boring as hell while saying nonsense they shouldn't really be in that position. And most pundits (at least those I know) are in that second group.

True mate, it is easy to ignore. But then they seem to be everywhere too.

In terms of actual ex player pundits, I find many of them tedious to listen to. I do the same thing you do, I don't watch the analysis at all generally. Sometimes I will leave it on afterwards as background noise but that is it.

 

[Maradona37]

I dont feel inferior to Messi. I just think, with my limited knowledge about him personally, that he is humble and a good human (maybe i'm wrong, I dont know him) and hes the greatest football player of all times. Thats why i'm talking about him the way i talk - but its semi-ironic, i dont think I'm inferior for real.

In terms of me being offensive to you - to be honest? I'm sorry. I think it's easy to get into conflict with you, i dont know, maybe thats your personality. But i'm seriously sorry - i shouldnt be so mad about you, you're just a football internet forum user. You have your own problems I have no clue about. I just break up with my girlfriend and our last weeks were hard to handle. Her mother is a fucking maniac, bipolar dumbass. I worked so hard for a year and a half for her surgery and her mother destroyed everything, including her surgery and our relationship.

I know i sometimes sound like a sociopath. I'm not a sociopath. In reality, i'm a really tender person. I was so frustrated and angry and everyone, I was perceiving everyone as a horrible human being.

Yesterday, I leave our house and move to another place and I'm trying to heal myself and start everything from zero, since i'm destroyed financially, mentally and emotionally. My heart is broken. Shes sending me messages about her being still in love with me while calling me a bastard at the same time.

I'm sorry Maradona37. Life is hard sometimes but atleast I'm trying to be intelectually fair at the end of the day and you deserve my apologies, even if you made some mistakes too.

Take care of yourself and respect yourself - dont get into a relationship with problematic girl never ever, you're gonna sacrifice your life for her and shes gonna be so ungrateful after breakup, you cant even imagine. Even if she loves your for real - some people can be in true love with you and still be toxic asf. That was my case.

Cheers

There's just a few things - on and off the pitch - about Messi that make me think the 'humble guy' thing he has going is a bit of a mask. In truth, I think he has a massive ego - which I can understand with his talent. But then again, even though he is immensely talented, he's not curing cancer, so maybe footballers need perspective. Maybe I am being harsh on him and he's a good guy? But then, that is the point really isn't it? Guys like him generally play their cards close to their chest, so we cannot really know.

It applies a lot more to Ronaldo, I think. He takes himself so seriously, like he's the most important man in the world, and talks about people 'disrespecting' him - Ronaldo, mate, you are a fucking footballer, in the grand scheme of things your job means little, it's just that us people seek distractions. Without us he is nothing. He needs to get a grip taking himself so seriously when he kicks a ball around for a living.

Maybe I was harsh saying most footballers are pricks, but I would bet that many are.

I appreciate you taking the time to extend an olive branch and repair any animosity between us. I was expecting more abuse so I am pleasantly surprised. I am sure you are a decent guy, it's just that recently you have been through a lot that has affected your thinking (as you have expounded on, and as I can relate to). I am really sorry about what has happened with your girlfriend - it sounds like a confused relationship where you love each other but struggle to be around one another too. It does sound toxic and she does sound problematic, as does her mother. I can tell you are a good guy and have just been lashing out due to these factors - I can relate as you can well tell.

I really hope you can work it out with her, as it sounds like you love her a lot.

As for me, I can be hard to get on with, or talk to. I am aware of my flaws - I take some stuff too seriously (more in the negative, critical aspect, than the loving people aspect, which is arguably worse, as I can be cynical). But I am trying to change. Like you and I said - ultimately these guys aren't even in our lives and don't even fucking matter.

We all want Barcelona to do the treble this season (even me, as not an actual Barca fan but someone who likes the club more than I like most 'elite clubs'). However, let's assume they win fuck all. It will be gutting for plenty of Barca fans, but life will go on and there will be a new season in August, and it will start all over again. That is what I meant by saying that football just doesn't even fucking matter that much compared to family and friends (when we have a healthy sense of perspective). What I meant about football ruining society - and what Messi in here backed me up on - is that people, especially younger people - obsess over the game and particularly the players, its protagonists. I think it's damaging to society. Some might write me off as an older guy moaning and yelling at clouds but I think I have a fair point.

As for you - it takes a lot to be a big man and admit when you make mistakes (and I definitely make them too, with you here and others), I appreciate your response Grande, and I am sorry for my attitude too. Let's have a clean slate and debate more respectfully, and as I said before, I will be more balanced on lewy.

I also hope you can mend things with your girlfriend -the situation is clearly affecting you a lot and it's horrible to see that happen to someone. I wish you all the best there and am rooting for ya.

 

[TemporaryFan]

So, Lewandowski returns to Signal Iduna stadium. I checked BVB squad and there's nobody from that 2013 CL Klopp's finalist team there any more. That was a hellova team. A couple of them the World Champions to be.
There was not a team in the World that year, they would be shy to stand up to. They had a good shot at Bayern that year, much better that the last year against Real. Too bad they did not take that chance.

I think of Klopp is a better manager than Flick - with all due respect, maybe not so much tactics-wise but at how he motivated those guys into believing in themselves. Flick strikes me as more withdrawn and less a good uncle-like... It was Klopp who made Lewandowski. Had it not been for Klopp, he would have gone into oblivion by 2015.

 

[Maradona37]

So, Lewandowski returns to Signal Iduna stadium. I checked BVB squad and there's nobody from that 2013 CL Klopp's finalist team there any more. That was a hellova team. A couple of them the World Champions to be.
There was not a team in the World that year, they would be shy to stand up to. They had a good shot at Bayern that year, much better that the last year against Real. Too bad they did not take that chance.

I think of Klopp is a better manager than Flick - with all due respect, maybe not so much tactics-wise but at how he motivated those guys into believing in themselves. Flick strikes me as more withdrawn and less a good uncle-like... It was Klopp who made Lewandowski. Had it not been for Klopp, he would have gone into oblivion by 2015.

Not sure if Lewy wouldn't have still flourished without Klopp - Klopp helped him a lot, but Lewy had a lot of talent. He just needed a great coach to harness it. To be fair that's true of most if not all players.

I gave you a like for the rest of it - really enjoyed Klopp's Dortmund sides.

 

[Grande]

There's just a few things - on and off the pitch - about Messi that make me think the 'humble guy' thing he has going is a bit of a mask. In truth, I think he has a massive ego - which I can understand with his talent. But then again, even though he is immensely talented, he's not curing cancer, so maybe footballers need perspective. Maybe I am being harsh on him and he's a good guy? But then, that is the point really isn't it? Guys like him generally play their cards close to their chest, so we cannot really know.

It applies a lot more to Ronaldo, I think. He takes himself so seriously, like he's the most important man in the world, and talks about people 'disrespecting' him - Ronaldo, mate, you are a fucking footballer, in the grand scheme of things your job means little, it's just that us people seek distractions. Without us he is nothing. He needs to get a grip taking himself so seriously when he kicks a ball around for a living.

Maybe I was harsh saying most footballers are pricks, but I would bet that many are.

I appreciate you taking the time to extend an olive branch and repair any animosity between us. I was expecting more abuse so I am pleasantly surprised. I am sure you are a decent guy, it's just that recently you have been through a lot that has affected your thinking (as you have expounded on, and as I can relate to). I am really sorry about what has happened with your girlfriend - it sounds like a confused relationship where you love each other but struggle to be around one another too. It does sound toxic and she does sound problematic, as does her mother. I can tell you are a good guy and have just been lashing out due to these factors - I can relate as you can well tell.

I really hope you can work it out with her, as it sounds like you love her a lot.

As for me, I can be hard to get on with, or talk to. I am aware of my flaws - I take some stuff too seriously (more in the negative, critical aspect, than the loving people aspect, which is arguably worse, as I can be cynical). But I am trying to change. Like you and I said - ultimately these guys aren't even in our lives and don't even fucking matter.

We all want Barcelona to do the treble this season (even me, as not an actual Barca fan but someone who likes the club more than I like most 'elite clubs'). However, let's assume they win fuck all. It will be gutting for plenty of Barca fans, but life will go on and there will be a new season in August, and it will start all over again. That is what I meant by saying that football just doesn't even fucking matter that much compared to family and friends (when we have a healthy sense of perspective). What I meant about football ruining society - and what Messi in here backed me up on - is that people, especially younger people - obsess over the game and particularly the players, its protagonists. I think it's damaging to society. Some might write me off as an older guy moaning and yelling at clouds but I think I have a fair point.

As for you - it takes a lot to be a big man and admit when you make mistakes (and I definitely make them too, with you here and others), I appreciate your response Grande, and I am sorry for my attitude too. Let's have a clean slate and debate more respectfully, and as I said before, I will be more balanced on lewy.

I also hope you can mend things with your girlfriend -the situation is clearly affecting you a lot and it's horrible to see that happen to someone. I wish you all the best there and am rooting for ya.

Unfortunately, we are not gonna fix our relationship. I'm gonna have a case in court with her mother probably. Too much shit to fix that.

Thanks for kind words too

 

[Maradona37]

Unfortunately, we are not gonna fix our relationship. I'm gonna have a case in court with her mother probably. Too much shit to fix that.

Thanks for kind words too

Sorry to hear that. And about the court case, that is fucked.

I hope things get easier and you can get over her. Believe me, I know how hard it can be with women.

You're welcome, I am always happy and willing to debate with you as - recent flying off the handle at times aside - you have a good knowledge of football.

 

[Temptation]

So, Lewandowski returns to Signal Iduna stadium. I checked BVB squad and there's nobody from that 2013 CL Klopp's finalist team there any more. That was a hellova team. A couple of them the World Champions to be.
There was not a team in the World that year, they would be shy to stand up to. They had a good shot at Bayern that year, much better that the last year against Real. Too bad they did not take that chance.

I think of Klopp is a better manager than Flick - with all due respect, maybe not so much tactics-wise but at how he motivated those guys into believing in themselves. Flick strikes me as more withdrawn and less a good uncle-like... It was Klopp who made Lewandowski. Had it not been for Klopp, he would have gone into oblivion by 2015.

Klopp is a better coach and manager than Flick.

Lewy nearly joined Big Sam at Blackburn haha.

 

[Grande]

Sorry to hear that. And about the court case, that is fucked.

I hope things get easier and you can get over her. Believe me, I know how hard it can be with women.

You're welcome, I am always happy and willing to debate with you as - recent flying off the handle at times aside - you have a good knowledge of football.

Year and a half without living my life to get her to surgery just to be dehumanised by her mother and hearing about police, courts and shit like that so they can milk me out of my money (good luck, her mother in in her bipolar maniac episode, insanity)