9 - Robert Lewandowski

[Maradona37]

I have saw that quote before - I still think it's a dig at Ronaldo.

So many modern football fans just talk about goal and assist stats. It even happens with big games 'how can you said he was poor that night? He scored'.

As if one moment in a game automatically means someone played well. Look at Ronaldo in 2014 CL Final the best example - one of the worst players on the park all night, an abomination. But then finally finds his bollocks in the last minute of extra time when the game is won thanks to others, wins a penalty and converts it, and celebrates like he scored a Maradona in the World Cup Final.

Then consider Messi's wonderful performances in the 5-0 vs RM and the 2015 Cl Final - where he didn't score but was the best player on the pitch in both.

But then people will compare his and Ronaldo's stats and say Ronaldo is better because he 'scored more goals'.

It's like that talentless fud we played with who thought he was the best player in our team for hanging around the box and finishing the chances us three more talented playmakers set him up with. He had the audacity to boast about his goal stats, cunt.

Just laughable - no appreciation of qualitative data or context whatsoever. I am convinced most modern fans have never kicked a ball, absolutely convinced.

And anyone who thinks this post is bollocks - Benzema, arguably the best striker of his generation, clearly agrees with me (if that is a legit quote). So take it up with him too.

 

[Maradona37]

There was a story about a Man United adult fan telling a kid he knows to look up Iniesta. The kid looked him up and said 'meh, he has much lower goal and assist stats than bruno Fernandes in double the games'.

This is the world we are living in and the next football generation, and it is absolutely because of social media and the Americanisation of the game, because their sports are much more suited to stats than ours are, but they are infesting our game and polluting it with their G/A bollocks as if the last two contacts before a ball goes in the net exist in a fucking vacuum and so much doesn't happen before that.

 

[TemporaryFan]

"R9, Muller, Van Basten, Romario, Batistuta, Kopa, Suarez, Benzema"

Lewandowski definitely fits in that group, if not slightly above - below Cristiano Ronaldo (who I personally like) and Messi (who I personally don't like as much) but I can buy it.
But to say that Benzema or Suarez are better from Robert, not even equal,...that I disagree, respectfully.

 

[Maradona37]

Lewandowski definitely fits in that group, if not slightly above - below Cristiano Ronaldo (who I personally like) and Messi (who I personally don't like as much) but I can buy it.
But to say that Benzema or Suarez are better, not even equal,...that I disagree, respectfully.

Comments like this are what I mean with overrating him.

He 'definitely fits in that group' and is 'slightly above' R9, Van Basten, Romario and Muller'? Lol R9 is a top 10 player of all time, Lewa wouldn't be in the top 80. Also you say he's below CR? Well I consider CR below R9, yet you think R9 isn't even above Lewa. Then you say you don't like Messi as much when he's clearly a much better player than Ronaldo in the majority of ways (unless you mean as a person, but I find it hard to believe any right-thinking individual likes Cristiano Ronaldo as a person).

What proof is there - other than goal tally - that he's better than Benzema or Suarez? They're hardly poor players - like him they're two of the best strikers of their generation.

I respectfully disagree too. Your entire post is almost the opposite of everything I think. Opinions, I guess.

 

[Maradona37]

Also, why are there four or five posters on here who post exclusively about Lewa, and almost literally nothing else? I won't name names but it is creepy. I have only really seen this sort of behaviour before from Cristiano Ronaldo fans.

I mean tempt love lewa, but he and Rassvet don't just talk about him. Soul and Catalin love Messi, but talk about plenty of unrelated football subjects.

I don't wanna police people's posts, but if your interest in football begins and ends with Robert Lewandowski then you aren't a real football fan. These people need to be called out because they only show up sporadically and entirely to spin everything to make it look like Lewa is amazing.

 

[TemporaryFan]

Comments like this are what I mean with overrating him.

He 'definitely fits in that grpup' and i's 'slightly above' R9, Van Basten, Romario and Muller? Lol R9 is a top 10 player of all time, Lewa wouldn't be in the top 80. Also you say he's below CR? Well I consider CR below R9, yet you think R9 isn't even above Lewa. Then you say you don't like Messi as much when he's clearly a much better player than Ronaldo in the majority of ways (unless you mean as a person, but I find it hard to believe any right-thinking individual likes Cristiano Ronaldo as a person).

What proof is there - other than goal tally - that he's better than Benzema or Suarez? They're hardly poor players - like him they're two of the best strikers of their generation.

I respectfully disagree too. Your entire post is almost the opposite of everything I think. Opinions, I guess.

I try to be objective, and it also infuriates me to see some of the members here like Temptation to make him what you or I disagree he is in reality.

For the most part, I am with you on this.
The difference of you and I on this subject is the extent of his 'being good". I suspect that you evaluate him from the prism of his Barca performance only, and your exposure on his previous performances at Bayern or BVB was at best sporadic. (?)

On the other hand I watched quite a few Real games with Benzema and Liverpool games when Suarez was there, and was not as impressed, as with what Lewandowski showed in Germany, and some UCL performances and my opinion derives from the whole picture of the last 14 years.

That's all right to disagree. It could be a personal preference, than anything else.

 

[CatalinR10]

100 goals and only 1 covid CL to show for while playing at fucking Bayern ?

Sheesh , I know I said winning the title with Barca is worth more than his titles at Bayern in that farmer league but I apologize and take my words back.

His title with Barca is worth MORE than the league titles and his CL.


One more league title and he eclipses ALL the titles won prior in his career.

I am glad that we can all agree to this.

We will be there !

 

[Maradona37]

I try to be objective, and it also infuriates me to see some of the members here like Temptation to make him what you or I disagree he is in reality.

For the most part, I am with you on this.
The difference of you and I on this subject is the extent of his 'being good". I suspect that you evaluate him from the prism of his Barca performance only, and your exposure on his previous performances at Bayern or BVB was at best sporadic. (?)

On the other hand I watched quite a few Real games with Benzema and Liverpool games when Suarez was there, and was not as impressed, as what Lewandowski showed in Germany, and some UCL performances and my opinion derives from the whole picture of the last 14 years.

That's all right to disagree. It could be a personal preference, than anything else.

Fair enough, I respect your opinion, even if I strongly disagree. I do consider you an intelligent guy and a good poster.

I would implore you to watch more of Suarez and Benzema though. What was more odd to me was implying that Lewa stands on a level above the group of R9, MVB, Muller and Romario. To me they're all comfortably better than him, and bigger legends. You could argue they're the four best strikers of all time (Pele aside). I bet most would agree, though given Lewa's universal popularity and boost he gets from that, maybe not.

I do think some people fall into the trap of calling Lewa the GOAT striker because they like him and WANT him badly to be that. But push come to shove they know there are several better.

 

[soul24rage]

Objectively, Lewy is below the group of R9, Van Basten and Muller

 

[Maradona37]

Objectively, Lewy is below the group of R9, Van Basten and Muller

Yes

And people take that as an attack on him LOL. Do they not realise they're arguably the three best strikers of all time? Over 160 years of football? Being in the group below doesn't mean he's not an amazing striker. He should be happy with that as his talent doesn't warrant more.

If anything, it does a disservice to those three to feel insulted that people think they're better than him. As if it's somehow a negative to not be as good as Luis Nazario, Muller or Van Basten for fuck sake.

 

[Maradona37]

Also, @TemporaryFan leaning into 'I have watched more than you over the last 14 years' (although you say it in a nice way) to try to elevate your opinion above mine won't work. I have seen plenty of Lewa before he went to Barca (I am not even a Barca fan). Plus you don't need to watch someone every week to get an idea of how they are as a player.

If you wanna claim someone hasn't watched enough football over the last thirty years, believe me you are talking to the wrong guy. Until a few years ago I lived ate and breathed football.

Please give me more credit than thinking I dismissed the superior part of his career and am only rating him post Barca. I am a serious football follower, not some fucking amateur idiot who rates players when they get to their mid 30s in the twilight of their careers. If I was an amateur I'd be obsessing over goal and assist stats.

I mean I have even fucking referred to his Bayern time in previous posts. Why don't people read on here?

 

[TemporaryFan]

Also, why are there four or five posters on here who post exclusively about Lewa, and almost literally nothing else? I won't name names but it is creepy. I have only really seen this sort of behaviour before from Cristiano Ronaldo fans.

I mean tempt love lewa, but he and Rassvet don't just talk about him. Soul and Catalin love Messi, but talk about plenty of unrelated football subjects.

I don't wanna police people's posts, but if your interest in football begins and ends with Robert Lewandowski then you aren't a real football fan. These people need to be called out because they only show up sporadically and entirely to spin everything to make it look like Lewa is amazing.

That's not creepy at all as long as they do it here. There's nothing wrong about it either. It is not like they got to Movies or Music thread and talk about Robert Lewandowski. For instance, I am not particularly interested in Messi thread...Why? I don't know...I guess I only acknowledge he is a great footballer but other than that I have no interests about him as a person or otherwise. Same goes for Neymar or Suarez...I like political section though, lol 😆, to a degree though.

But to answer your question further, let me offer an explanation.
They are here because they are from Poland and, as I mentioned before, Poland, sadly, does not mean much on the World stage of football as a National Team, say nothing about the club level. So they (I am there too) have these proxies - like Lewandowski, to the big world football affairs.

Look at it that this way, they are proud of their country man to have accomplished quite a bit in the sport and gained recognition and fame, they look at him as their ambassador on the World football stage, and wherever he plays, they'll follow him. Today, FC Barcelona is a platform to cheer him on, and that's a very honorable venue that adds even more splendor, and before then, it was Bayern.

I understand that FC Barcelona is global and attractive to a lot of football fans...but I am not that emotionally vested if I can't find some 'personal' element in it...for some it is their city, their country, their heritage, for some others something else.

As soon as he is gone, they'll likely to be gone too.
Perhaps, some will stay out of sentiment...but they arrived here, so did I, because of Lewandowski.
Hint "temporaryfan"
....

 

[Maradona37]

That's not creepy at all as long as they do it here. There's nothing wrong about it either. It is not like they got to Movies or Music thread and talk about Robert Lewandowski. For instance, I am not particularly interested in Messi thread...Why? I don't know...I guess I only acknowledge he is a great footballer but other than that I have no interests.

But to answer your question further, let me offer an explanation.
They are here because they are from Poland and, as I mentioned before, Poland, sadly, does not mean much on the World stage of football as a National Team, say nothing about the club level. So they (I am there too) have these proxies to the big affairs like Lewandowski.

Look at it that this way, they are proud of their country man to have accomplish quite a bit in the sport and gained recognition and fame, they look at him as their ambassador on the World football stage, and whereever he plays, they'll follow him. Today, FC Barcelona is a platform to cheer him on, and that's a very honorable venue that adds even more splendor, and before then, it was Bayern.

I understand that FC Barcelona is global and attractive to a lot of football fans...but I am not that emotionally vested if I can't find some 'personal' element in it...for some it is their city, their country, their heritage, for some others something else.

As soon as he is gone, they'll be gone too.
Perhaps, some will stay out of sentiment...but they arrived here, so did I, because of Lewandowski.

I don't care what you say, it is weird as fuck to follow individual players from club to club and support players over teams - even if they're your countryman. This is extremely modern football fan, celebrity worship behaviour.

It's like when Ronaldo fanboy once said he could stop following Juventus and Serie A because Ronaldo was going back to man United - absolutely fucking pathetic to follow a team and league you clearly hate just because of a creepy, obsessive, pathetic mancrush on one player.

I mean supporting football teams at all is irrational when it comes down to it - it's nationalism on a regional and local scale. But obsessing over one individual is clear celebrity worship and I totally disagree with you - it is weird as fuck. You don't see me obsessing over Scottish players. I can't get my head around it.

And it isn't even their constant defence of him - I can almost forgive that. It's that 99 percent or even 100 percent of their posts are about Robert.

The movie and music analogy doesn't work because they are entirely different hobbies - Lewa is a footballer and there are thousands more football threads on here, yet they refuse to take part in those. Their primary purpose on here is to post about Lewa and spin everything in his favour, half the time putting down his team-mates unfairly in the process. In that sense they are trolls in my opinion.

You love Lewa too. I find it weird and won't pretend to understand it, but I don't have a problem with you as you talk other football matters too, and other subjects away from football. Every post they make is like a Lewa Defence League. Ironic as they claim others have Lewa Derangement Syndrome. Creepy cunts.

 

[Windhook]

Lewa is one of the greatest fox in the box players. The argument should go in that direction, not GOAT, because we have to throw 50+ additional names in the conversation that qualify on Lewa's level. I just finished watching his UEFA 100 CL goals tribute.

 

[TemporaryFan]

I don't care what you say, it is weird as fuck to follow individual players from club to club and support players over teams - even if they're your countryman. This is extremely modern football fan, celebrity worship behaviour.

It's like when Ronaldo fanboy once said he could stop following Juventus and Serie A because Ronaldo was going back to man United - absolutely fucking pathetic to follow a team and league you clearly hate just because of a creepy, obsessive, pathetic mancrush on one player.

I mean supporting football teams at all is irrational when it comes down to it - it's nationalism on a regional and local scale. But obsessing over one individual is clear celebrity worship and I totally disagree with you - it is weird as fuck. You don't see me obsessing over Scottish players. I can't get my head around it.

And it isn't even their constant defence of him - I can almost forgive that. It's that 99 percent or even 100 percent of their posts are about Robert.

The movie and music analogy doesn't work because they are entirely different hobbies - Lewa is a footballer and there are thousands more football threads on here, yet they refuse to take part in those. Their primary purpose on here is to post about Lewa and spin everything in his favour, half the time putting down his team-mates unfairly in the process. In that sense they are trolls in my opinion.

You love Lewa too. I find it weird and won't pretend to understand it, but I don't have a problem with you as you talk other football matters too, and other subjects away from football. Every post they make is like a Lewa Defence League. Ironic as they claim others have Lewa Derangement Syndrome. Creepy cunts.

I am afraid you and I are substantially different on many aspects of life, we won't find mutual understanding on this.

I am afraid, you belong to the Neo European society model where cultural heritage and the sense of national belonging lost its meaning. I am in opposition to this trend vehemently.
I cultivate being polish, teach my kids, and grand kids our culture and history, require and encourage them to speak Polish and read our literature, even though they're born Americans.
Lewandowski makes me proud, so does Iga Swiatek, and few others. I don't undestand why it is so hard for you to understand, certainly an intelligent man, to follow someone who you are a fan of.

Let's say you have a favorite opera singer, like Pavarotti was or Placido Domingo. They changed theaters and venues every week, yet it wasn't weird to follow them and experience their talents everywhere they went.

Look, I am here, perhaps temporarily, due to Lewa, but as long as he plays, I am 100% a dedicated fan...get an honest kick out of every game...like it is my NT or former local club where I used to live.
Call it weird, creepy, or whatever...I could not care less. I don't mind your opinion either...I find it fascinating what other people think.
Question for you, though,
Why are you here, since you are not a Barca fan...? What do you get out of this? Football to me is about adrenaline...without it, I'd probably prefer to watch chess.

To each their own, as they say.