9 - Robert Lewandowski

[serghei]

Which is what makes us who we are, some people just don't understand.

It was undermine by you know who, so it will take longer to get back to our core, but it will happen.

I agree.

For me, when I first watched Barcelona something seemed very different from the other teams. It was very obvious. Back in the 00s Barcelona played completely different from what football looked like, and now 20 years later, they still do, Pep and his pupils exclued.

 

[JamDav1982]

I agree.

For me, when I first watched Barcelona something seemed very different from the other teams. It was very obvious. Back in the 00s Barcelona played completely different from what football looked like, and now 20 years later, they still do, Pep and his pupils exclued.

Barca have not been playing anywhere near uniquely good football for years.. this season was more of same.

Back then Barca were an outlier in football for type of players they wanted and style of play tht was different from rest tactically bar maybe Ajax really.

Not been that since Pep left and much more difficult to play that way now than was back then.

That is the issue.. Barca think likes of Busi is unique and the best going.. other clubs have taken best of Barcas approach and adapted it to point would never have some of players Barca do.

 

[serghei]

Not when that philosphy is based on idea that players like Busquets are the best in world in their position. That is when it fails and taken to extremes as an example.

It is much harder to have that technical advantage now compared to pre Pep also. That team changed football and type of players teams want and clubs have replicated youth system and are in for same players while clubs have much more money across the board to compete with Barca these days compared to then.

Barca can still have a philosophy and win but when use it as an excuse or an 'obligation' to play likes of Busi and think he is best going is too far.

Madrid have realised they cant beat EPL/PSG in open games as dont have that technical edge.. Barca would never adapt the way they have.. fet pumped then claim some moral high ground due to a philosophy. Not much different from the phony persona Pep shows before the camera. Pep in reality is probably a nasty guy borderline of a gruesome football dictator. For the fans, he seems the most well-behaved and pleasant guy ever.

It has become an idea to hide behind and lack accountability too often for Barca in recent years.

I am not really sure that is the case. I am sure behind the PR curtains there is a parallel analysis that is very different to what the fans see. What we see could very well be a wall of PR and such maneuvers.

Don't make the mistake of thinking public speech and press conferences are identical to what happens behind the scenes.

 

[JamDav1982]

I am not really sure that is the case. I am sure behind the PR curtains there is a parallel analysis that is very different to what the fans see. What we see could very well be a wall of PR and such maneuvers.

Don't make the mistake of thinking public speech and press conferences are identical to what happens behind the scenes.

What are you referring to?

What are they saying in public that dont believe behind closed doors?

Please tell me you are still not on this argument that Xavi is playing lip service to Busi.

 

[serghei]

What are you referring to?

What are they saying in public that dont believe behind closed doors?

Please tell me you are still not on this argument that Xavi is playing lip service to Busi.

I believe they know very well that the team is not up to par, but it makes no use whatsoever to say it publicly if you don't have the tools to improve it.

What would you achieve to slam your players publicly if these are the players you'll be managing next season?

None whatsoever, but cause extra problems with said players you'll have to coach next season.

The club has been sabotaged by Bartomeu's presidency.

 

[Respekt_III]

Why are we in for this guy for the reported fee and wages? This is absolute stupidity if true.

 

[JamDav1982]

I believe they know very well that the team is not up to par, but it makes no use whatsoever to say it publicly if you don't have the tools to improve it.

Of course they realise team is not up to par...the issue is what they think are the reasons.

They dont claim that publically either so not sure what is being referred to about behind closed doors.

So not really relevant to anything I said in previous post.

Xavi absolutely thinks Busi is the best going. There is no doubt about that.

 

[serghei]

Of course they realise team is not up to par...the issue is what they think are the reasons.

They dont claim that publically either so not sure what is being referred to about behind closed doors.

So not really relevant to anything I said in previous post.

Xavi absolutely thinks Busi is the best going. There is no doubt about that.

This is not only about Busi.

Busi starts for Spain too and unlike Xavi, Lucho has Rodri ready to play there who is a far better DM than what Barca have.

So I don't really get some here who criticize Xavi for Busi and are supportive of Lucho.

If Xavi is bad for Busi case, then Lucho should be sacked on the spot for starting Busquets.

At least we don't have any other clear DM in his place.


We don't have a clear Busi replacement lined up, and looking at the market, we won't get one either.

Busi, Pique, Alba, are going to play next season most likely. This is not really Xavi's fault. But more the fault of Garcia and Legnelt for being jokers, the fault of the club for not having a proper LB (actually we don't have ANY LB, even a semi-decent one, our LB option is a RB who is forever injured).

 

[MTL_Barca]

There is staying true to your identity and there is denial of reality. For Barca it was more of the latter in recent years, best DM in the world Busquets being a prime example.

 

[JamDav1982]

This is not only about Busi.

Busi starts for Spain too and unlike Xavi, Lucho has Rodri ready to play there who is a far better DM than what Barca have.

So I don't really get some here who criticize Xavi for Busi and are supportive of Lucho.

If Xavi is bad for Busi case, then Lucho should be sacked on the spot for starting Busquets.

At least we don't have any other clear DM in his place.

Busi is the easiest example of how Barca view their philosophy and think have 'obligation' to play a certain way. Of course there is more wrong than just him.

Bus started for spain for years and they have been shite at all intl tournaments since 2012 bar last one where they were decent to be fair.

Lucho can deal with Spain and many intl coaches choose to try and base an intl team one one club side but Lucho playing him doesnt matter too much either way anyway.

Dont really care if Lucho rates him either way. Makes no difference to how much he lacks for Barca and Lucho was playing him last season and before as well when you were slating Busi anyway.

Barca could easily set up without him and have options.

Even FDJ is not worse overall despite it not being his best position.

Try it.. try FDJ for a run of games at DM if thats way want to play.. or adapt.. play a double pivot with FDJ/Kessie.. try things or just accept runs like four defeats in five home games when Busi can barely run and claim no option but to play him.

 

[Respekt_III]

International competitions are way below the levels of clubs football these days,it way less intense and would suit busquets more yet he is still Meh imo.

 

[JamDav1982]

International competitions are way below the levels of clubs football these days,it way less intense and would suit busquets more yet he is still Meh imo.

And he has been shite in them for years anyway since 2012.

Was decent last Euros but not to extent is made out.

 

[serghei]

There is staying true to your identity and there is denial of reality. For Barca it was more of the latter in recent years, best DM in the world Busquets being a prime example.

But Barca doesn't have money to rebuild the team.

So you don't have any other choice but to work with current players and try to get the best out of them. That ain't gonna happen if you don't give them confidence.

 

[JamDav1982]

But Barca doesn't have money to rebuild the team.

So you don't have any other choice but to work with current players and try to get the best out of them. That ain't gonna happen if you don't give them confidence.

A decent coach can make a good midfield out of FDJ/Kessie/Pedri/Gavi/Nico etc.

That is a strong group not behind many in Europe really.

Agree have to largely make do with players have but that doesnt mean have to build midfield around Busquets.

 

[serghei]

Busi is the easiest example of how Barca view their philosophy and think have 'obligation' to play a certain way. Of course there is more wrong than just him.

Bus started for spain for years and they have been shite at all intl tournaments since 2012 bar last one where they were decent to be fair.

Lucho can deal with Spain and many intl coaches choose to try and base an intl team one one club side but Lucho playing him doesnt matter too much either way anyway.

Dont really care if Lucho rates him either way. Makes no difference to how much he lacks for Barca and Lucho was playing him last season and before as well when you were slating Busi anyway.

Barca could easily set up without him and have options.

Even FDJ is not worse overall despite it not being his best position.

Try it.. try FDJ for a run of games at DM if thats way want to play.. or adapt.. play a double pivot with FDJ/Kessie.. try things or just accept runs like four defeats in five home games when Busi can barely run and claim no option but to play him.

I'm slating Busi, sure, I'd prefer De Jong, but it's not really such a huge difference. Still, I'd do it personally.

However, we probably could see it if Pedri stays fit next season, and Gavi is developing. So far, under Xavi, Pedri played a short while and got reinjured. Which is part of the reason why we've been seeing Busi play a lot. Let's remember that Xavi doesn't rate Puig (just as you), and that Roberto was always injured the whole time. Not much options unless Gavi develops (now he's a problem too with the negotiations for his extension) and Pedri stays fit.

Let's see Gavi and Pedri being ready and fit for a full season. Now we will see Kessie who could play DM.

I think people will have a surprise if all these midfielders are fit for the season. Busi's minutes will go down. But we need to see it happening before we can make a conclusion that Busi is no matter what undropable for Xavi. So far, we didn't have those conditions. At the very least Busi will continue to start more, but will also be rotated/rested way more.