9 - Robert Lewandowski

[FinBarcelonafan]

No point downplaying Lewa. It's like saying Suarez wasn't a big part of Barca team.

 

[Blackened]

Perfectly fine. That's what we need to win against likes of Cadiz at home. We won't be playing big games anytime soon.

Well, he'll be all good then! 👌

 

[Temptation]

oh man, Roberry,Lahm, Muller and Neuer is NOT even a question, the rest are debatable

Robbery were injury prone af so no chance.

Muller had the Kovac period but is obviously more loved within the club because he's German Bayern product. There have been a few points when Miller's future was in doubt and people thought he was past his prime.

Lahm was very consistent yes. Neuer is a GK but yeah he's phenomenal.

 

[Blackened]

Bayern fans coping about Lewandowski is hilarious. None of those players have had nearly as much consistency, records, accolades, points won as RL9 has. Even if you combine all of them.

Next up they'll say even Pavard is more influential.

Tbf one of these guys did genuinely suggest that Bayern should buy Marko Arnautovic in 2022 to play as main striker so that says it all.

Well, we will all see that during the next season, wont we? I hope Lewy leaves Bayern so we will all witness how big of a loss he truely was. This RL9 talk is hilarious.. He is good but not that good. Belgium just put him and his fellow bolsheviks to sleep.

 

[Temptation]

Well, we will all see that during the next season, wont we? I hope Lewy leaves Bayern so we will all witness how big of a loss he truely was. This RL9 talk is hilarious.. He is good but not that good. Belgium just put him and his fellow bolsheviks to sleep.

RL9 scored a very good goal against Belgium and the score was 2-1 when he got subbed off. After that Poland got annihilated. Thanks for proving how important he's to his team yet again.

Another L for you.

 

[KingLeo10]

I do agree that Robbery were more important than Lewa. Especially Robben with his big goals/assists in crucial KO games (he had his share of choking too but he exorcised those demons by 2013). Robbery contributed to 3 CL finals in 4 years (only 1 win though which is the only real negative against them).

Neuer easily the most influential Bayern player in the modern era. As he is my GK GOAT.

Muller is debatable. Though, I would lean Lewa over Muller.

 

[Luftstalag14]

Look at Barca without Messi. You need a goal scorer.

Their dependence on Lewandowski is far less than ours on Messi. They play like a whole team and they have multiple outlets attacking-wise, whereas we tried to feed every ball to Messi, not only hoping he would score but also relied on him to create chances for others. Lewandowski has been very good for them no doubt, but he is a cog in their machine, one of their best cogs and Messi was sort of the CPU in ours. Not the same at all.

Bayern will continue to be one of the best in Europe in the next several years as they still have many world class players and will continue to look for new ones with their healthy finances, however in the long run their power both inside and outside of Germany might wane, I think.

 

[Birdy]

First statement is obviously not factual. That's more to due to the way the statement is made more than the intended meaning though so whatever.

Midfielders can generally play for much longer and at higher levels than pacey attackers that heavily rely on their physical attributes no? So having said that aren't older Midfielders worth more than older attackers generally speaking?

Bayern wanted more than the 20m they got for thiago in fact they wanted at least 50% more.

Bayern have allowed players to run down their contracts on multiple occasions so it's not unreasonable to beleive they they had taken the players wishes into consideration when accepting a much lower offer or had some sort of Informal agreement of a sort. Something you claim as fact although neither of us are privy to that information, we may only speculate. Historical transfers surrounding bayern seem to indicate that this unofficial understanding could very well have been discussed or expected but not legally binding (no one was saying it was anyway). So claiming that none of these conversations took place is conjecture no?

Significant covid depreciation would of potentially been true for the 19/20 season but he was bought in the 20/21 season where most footballing asset valuations had recovered.

Liverpool has done the same if not worse to other clubs regarding transferring lowballing etc yet the language used to describe their practise is one of positivity compared to the language used to describe bayern from posters like yourself.

Edit: don't really care about it either way just find it amusing. The duality of Liverpool stans lol

Ok, you got me there.
I consider Liverpool a model club in how they conduct their transfer business (from identifying targets based on analytics, to not overpaying or underpaying, to not going crazy about buying w/o serious reason) and their reasonable wage structure.
I wish Barca was run similarly and had people of expertise like Edwards at the helm of SD.
I don't know if this qualifies for 'stan', but I don't care, I consider it perfect model

The contrast with Bayern is illuminating:
- Both do not go out splashing cash like PSG City UTD (or RM when Perez feels like it), but Liverpool do it out of reasonable mindset avoiding extremes, whereas Bayern do it out of stinginess
- Bayern hand out contracts 18-20m to players when they are getting pressured of losing them, while they are ridiculing themselves to the community with offers like 25m for Mane and bonuses depending on Ballon D Ors
- Liverpool had their best paid players getting around 10-11m, and they are not breaking the wage structure no matter what. They are prepared to let their best player walk if he doesn't adhere to the structure. But at the same time, they are not shy selling or spending big when occasion is ripe in terms of needs (WC CB or GK to take them to their next level, or pocketing 120+m for their best player to regenerate squad).
- Bayern, on this respect, is losing the game big time. They haven't realized that we are not in the 90s or 00s anymore, and they can't get away by paying no transfer fees, with signing free agents at the end of their contracts.
They got Lewa for free, it cannot keep happening for ever. They had to pay for Haaland, they didn't want to. They had to pay for Nunez, they didn't want to.
The market is evolving and they can't follow, and that's only because of their mindset rather than lack of funds.


Now, about your points:
- Md play longer at higher level, but they only cost more than attackers after 33-34 yrs of age and only for WC mds.
Before that age, it's always more money for attackers, and that's an indisputable empirical observation, I am sure you can agree to that
- Thiago was bought in the summer of 2020, right after covid depreciation, at the moment of the biggest deflation of values and assets. Hence, my point stands
What happened afterwards affected business of winter 2020-1 and summer 2021
- Liverpool is not lowballing. They paid 75 rising to 100m for Nunez, 45m for Jota, 50m for Diaz, 40m for Konate.
That's not lowballing at all, sorry. It's not overpaying, nor underpaying like Bayern
The contrast with Bayern I sketched above is illuminating.
-Finally, no one is privy to the discussion, everyone is conjecturing, sure.
But I highly doubt there can be any such 'unofficial' arrangement based on favor, as the market doesn't work like that at all.
It's more BS to me coming from the Bayern media camp to create a certain climate favoring Bayern's (under)valuation of Mane

 

[Temptation]

Barcelona's new improved bid is around 45 million.

 

[Temptation]

While some sources are saying that they'll offer around 50 million to Bayern this time

 

[Respekt_III]

Thought Bartos reign of terror was over... 45-50m for a 34 year old striker, we really are the dumbest club in the world.

 

[wisconsincule]

Is Lewandowski that much of an upgrade to Auba…?

I don’t have a good feeling about this transfer.. especially if the cost is creeping over 35/40 million euros…

 

[DonAK]

Is Lewandowski that much of an upgrade to Auba??

I don?t have a good feeling about this transfer.. especially if the cost is creeping over 35/40 million euros?

Yes, although for a player his age being signed for more than 30m and a very high salary. It's a tough one. They need to have a succession plan in place ready to take over in two years and we tend to do stupid shit so doubt we will.

 

[Messigician]

Our new bid is around 50m

Bayern will accept

Welcome to Barca Lewandowski

 

[Temptation]

He's coming. Bayern will accept the 50m plus add ons. They'll save 75 mil approx for 1 season(transfer fee+ RL9 wages and bonus).

Laporta has associated himself to this transfer now and it's a symbol of the changes. He's the first big signing they'll make.

After that they'll look for opportunities to get Koulibaly or Silva depending upon financial possibilities