9 - Robert Lewandowski

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KingLeo10

KingLeo10

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topt said:
this will be hard to hear mate but to be considered oppostion you have to show at least some sign of life not just act dead when we play each other:lol:
BUT at least you signed Maradona and Cruyff:thumbsup:
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You lost to RM 6 times in a row this past decade

You lost to Milan pretty much every time in 2000s

We have better record v Milan and RM than Bayern does.

So, going by your reductionist logic:

Bayern > Barca
RM > Bayern
Milan > Bayern
Barca = RM
Barca > Milan

The way to assess stature of football clubs is through a combination of trophies (league, CL (and other international trophies), domestic cup), history (which superstars played for the club and won the biggest accolades), strength and level of rivalries, and peak level. You are about even on trophies, slightly worse in history, definitely worse in who you compete with for your domestic trophies, and definitely worse in peak level. Still, after RM who are clearly first, I put Barca, Bayern, and Milan in the same tier. Maybe Pool too in there.

I know how forum trolls work. The moment Bayern is back to being shit (and you will be soon enough), you will vanish in the wind :lol:
 
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topt

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KingLeo10 said:
You lost to RM 6 times in a row this past decade

You lost to Milan pretty much every time in 2000s

We have better record v Milan and RM than Bayern does.

So, going by your reductionist logic:

Bayern > Barca
RM > Bayern
Milan > Bayern
Barca = RM
Barca > Milan

The way to assess stature of football clubs is through a combination of trophies (league, CL (and other international trophies), domestic cup), history (which superstars played for the club and won the biggest accolades), strength and level of rivalries, and peak level. You are about even on trophies, slightly worse in history, definitely worse in who you compete with for your domestic trophies, and definitely worse in peak level. Still, after RM who are clearly first, I put Barca, Bayern, and Milan in the same tier. Maybe Pool too in there.

I know how forum trolls work. The moment Bayern is back to being shit (and you will be soon enough), you will vanish in the wind :lol:
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just wondering based on what will we be shit again soon ? the rest of your post I ll leave alone cause its barca foum but I do think its cute you think Barca has the same record as Real
 
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KingLeo10

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topt said:
just wondering based on what will we be shit again soon ? the rest of your post I ll leave alone cause its barca foum but I do think its cute you think Barca has the same record as Real
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Remember you boasting about Bayern's CL chances last season? Only to come crashing down v Villareal, like many predicted (not the loss v Villareal specifically, but that you all were CL pretenders when it came to actually winning the trophy). And if you had even a shred of reasoning ability, you'd see that all historic clubs have cycles, and your core is mostly aged and gone. As we discussed before, I only rate Kimmich, Sane, and Davies highly among the current core. It might work for Bundesliga, but for all the chest thumping, you've managed a grand total of 1 CL in the last 10 years...and I don't see that changing any time soon.

And it's even cuter that you don't know that RM and Barca have 100 or so wins each in El Clasico. Not only are you needlessly and mistakenly arrogant, but you simply lack intelligence to come up with a coherent rebuttal instead of defaulting to "that's cute". This is like the 5th or 6th time we're going through this routine.
 
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topt

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KingLeo10 said:
Remember you boasting about Bayern's CL chances last season? Only to come crashing down v Villareal, like many predicted (not the loss v Villareal specifically, but that you all were CL pretenders when it came to actually winning the trophy). And if you had even a shred of reasoning ability, you'd see that all historic clubs have cycles, and your core is mostly aged and gone. As we discussed before, I only rate Kimmich, Sane, and Davies highly among the current core. It might work for Bundesliga, but for all the chest thumping, you've managed a grand total of 1 CL in the last 10 years...and I don't see that changing any time soon.

And it's even cuter that you don't know that RM and Barca have 100 or so wins each in El Clasico. Not only are you needlessly and mistakenly arrogant, but you simply lack intelligence to come up with a coherent rebuttal instead of defaulting to "that's cute". This is like the 5th or 6th time we're going through this routine.
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our core is aged and gone ? we have 2 players above 30. You know nothing about Bayern; Bayern cycle changed in mid 2000s when they decided to be no longer a selling club, there will be no cycle cause unlike some spanish club Bayern is actually well ran.

And now we come to the cute part of the story;
Real Madrid wins 77
Draws 35
Barcelona wins 73
means
Barca = RM
VS
Real Madrid wins 12
Draws 3
Bayern wins 11
means
RM > Bayern

so who lacks intelligence mate.....
 
KingLeo10

KingLeo10

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topt said:
our core is aged and gone ? we have 2 players above 30. You know nothing about Bayern; Bayern cycle changed in mid 2000s when they decided to be no longer a selling club, there will be no cycle cause unlike some spanish club Bayern is actually well ran.

And now we come to the cute part of the story;
Real Madrid wins 77
Draws 35
Barcelona wins 73
means
Barca = RM
VS
Real Madrid wins 12
Draws 3
Bayern wins 11
means
RM > Bayern

so who lacks intelligence mate.....
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77 wins, 73 wins, 35 draws is just in LL. The overall is close to 100 wins for each club.

And that's over a sample size of 250 games, while the sample size of yours is 25. 10 x the sample size. Look up how sample size relates to confidence in inferences (I'm very, very certain after 250 games, Barca and RM are similar level which is what I refuted your arrogant "that's cute" with - the numbers show otherwise). Moreover, going by the recent trend, they've got you guys on a leash. 6 wins in a row wasn't it in 2010s. Who's to say that trend won't continue going forwards? After all, that's one of your arguments for Barca and Bayern going forward isn't it.

:lol:

BONUS: Still ducking those Milan v Bayern H2H though. What was it? 1 W in 8 games, and 5 losses? With your reductionist H2H logic, Barca >> Milan >> Bayern >> Barca. See how stupid that is?

BONUS: How wrong were you about Villareal? Though you'd be more humble after being whacked by a mid table Spanish team while being in your "all is well and glory years".
 
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TemporaryFan

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What people need to realize is that this is a new construct, this Barcelona team. It will take at least season long of grinding to have a consistent and expectable performance. Right now, what you have is glimpses of what is ahead. I see 2023 a monumental change in getting results. Similar situation happened to Bayern after Pep left. With Anccelotti and then with Kovac, the team was in disarray on LM level. Only short revise of Hence made things temporarily looked better - but he was a patch. Bundesliga does not count - that's LaLiga - 2 nd half of the table. After Flick took over new mentality and motivation cemented into a coherent structure and next season Bayern won all there was to win. FC Barcelona shows similar patterns. Xavi is the right authority...give it more time.
Lewandowski will play a crucial role in the overall scheme of things in the next 2 seasons...then he is 36 and will play 2nd fiddle.
 
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Temptation

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KL, you said I'll disappear when we play badly like the Juve and Qatar fans did.....


Well we're dogshite this season and I'm still here.

I'm Alpha af, innit? :mou:
 
CatalinR10

CatalinR10

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big goal for our Liga chances
 
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