9 - Robert Lewandowski

[Birdy]

There are no 'Groups of Death'.

The better teams have qualified easily as they always do more or less.

Barca could have been in Pot 1 if they didnt fuck up a fairly 'easy' Europa League against Frankfurt.

What are you smoking again?

Pot 1 had Eintracht, Milan, Ajax, and Porto because of Platini's stupid rules
in the old format with the coefficient of points only counting, these teams would have been in pot3 or 4

The ramification of that was that Dortmund Napoli, Inter, were in Pot3, whereas their level is way above pot3 and it messes up the groups

In the old format, Barca would have been in Pot 1, together with Bayern, City, Liverpool, Chelsea, RM, PSG
while in Pot 2, you would have teams like Dortmund, Spurs, Atleti, Juve, Inter, Napoli

Which format you think reflects better the strongest teams?

 

[JamDav1982]

What are you smoking again?

Pot 1 had Eintracht, Milan, Ajax, and Porto because of Platini's stupid rules
in the old format with the coefficient of points only counting, these teams would have been in pot3 or 4

The ramification of that was that Dortmund Napoli, Inter, were in Pot3, whereas their level is way above pot3 and it messes up the groups

In the old format, Barca would have been in Pot 1, together with Bayern, City, Liverpool, Chelsea, RM, PSG
while in Pot 2, you would have teams like Dortmund, Spurs, Atleti, Juve, Inter, Napoli

Which format you think reflects better the strongest teams?

Aye and none of the Groups were where the better teams had any issues.

All you are left with are some groups harder than others but better teams make it through.

Who cares about 'old format' this one is better and if likes of Barca cant get out of group that is on them.

The better sides go through.

Smoking?

From the man that evry debate wrong to date. Top stuff.

Go cheer on Dest on bench for Milan and stop spouting your usual deluded shite.

The rules are better that give leg up to sides winning their leagues and Europa. It is not all just about getting the biggets names through.

 

[TemporaryFan]

Teams of Barca's stature don't that go out of the CL groups and then win leagues. Has it ever happened before? Of course, the reverse is true as CL is more of a lottery when you basically play 6 games to reach a final.

So that's why the CL exit created doom and gloom mood. After all this CL format is basically geared towards elite teams getting trough groups.

BVB with Lewandowski's first two seasons there, won Bundesliga titles and got eliminated from CL in the group phase both times as German Champions.

In 2010-11 they finished 3rd and in 2011-12 fourth (not even Europa league for them).
Yet in 2012-13 they finished 2nd to Bayern and reached the CL final to lose to Bayern marginally.

 

[malvolio]

BVB with Lewandowski's first two seasons there, won Bundesliga titles and got eliminated from CL in the group phase both times as German Champions.

In 2010-11 they finished 3rd and in 2011-12 fourth (not even Europa league for them).
Yet in 2012-13 they finished 2nd to Bayern and reached the CL final to lose to Bayern marginally.

Yeah, but that's just an exception. And Dortmund can't be considered elite.

 

[Blackened]

The fact is, Lewandowski isnt that different from someone like Cavani. A pure, leathal finisher. Nothing less, but not that much more either. Flicks and assists every now and then? Sure. But so does every other striker too. A Luis Suarez from 2014 he is not.

 

[Birdy]

Yeah, but that's just an exception. And Dortmund can't be considered elite.

It's not an exception.
If a team has been absent from Europe for a long time, they find it difficult at the beginning to get through groups.
Milan the past 2 years, despite being a European giant

Your theory is stupid

 

[Birdy]

Aye and none of the Groups were where the better teams had any issues.

All you are left with are some groups harder than others but better teams make it through.

Who cares about 'old format' this one is better and if likes of Barca cant get out of group that is on them.

The better sides go through.

Smoking?

From the man that evry debate wrong to date. Top stuff.

Go cheer on Dest on bench for Milan and stop spouting your usual deluded shite.

The rules are better that give leg up to sides winning their leagues and Europa. It is not all just about getting the biggets names through.

'The better sides go through' said the king of stupid mottos

Look, I am not saying Barca are great or something.
I am simply saying a group of Bayern Inter and Plzen is totally different dynamic than a group of Inter Salburg and Plzen that the old format would have given us.

If you don't see the difference, you are dump
Thanks, and goodnight, on block list if you continue, don't have time and mood for babysitting you here

 

[malvolio]

It's not an exception.
If a team has been absent from Europe for a long time, they find it difficult at the beginning to get through groups.
Milan the past 2 years, despite being a European giant

Your theory is stupid

No, it's not. Milan isnt elite. There is no finding difficult or other shite.

 

[Birdy]

No, it's not. Milan isnt elite. There is no finding difficult or other shite.

Milan isn't elite right now? maybe
Milan isn't elite historically? NO, they are

You don't become 'elite' overnight.
Being away from Europe for a long-time means you were not elite and you are trying to become again,
Hence finding it difficult

 

[malvolio]

Milan isn't elite right now? maybe
Milan isn't elite historically? NO, they are

You don't become 'elite' overnight.
Being away from Europe for a long-time means you were not elite and you are trying to become again,
Hence finding it difficult

We are talking about favourites going through year after year. Which happens. Milan was elite, now they are more of a EL team.

 

[Birdy]

We are talking about favourites going through year after year. Which happens. Milan was elite, now they are more of a EL team.

You could say that BvB was an EL level team in 2011 and 2012 with the same logic.
But BvB went to CL final in 2013,
so according to this shaky logic, they became elite overnight.

It's simply flawed logic

 

[malvolio]

You could say that BvB was an EL level team in 2011 and 2012 with the same logic.
But BvB went to CL final in 2013,
so according to this shaky logic, they became elite overnight.

It's simply flawed logic

Check the stats. Dortmund maybe being an exception, but they arent/weren't a rich club anyway.

So year after year, the big favourites go through the groups.

 

[Birdy]

Check the stats. Dortmund maybe being an exception, but they arent/weren't a rich club anyway.

So year after year, the big favourites go through the groups.

Not if they are in a group of death OR if they are becoming big again after being outside for a long time.
Many examples of the above historically, Milan and Dortmund only two

 

[malvolio]

Not if they are in a group of death OR if they are becoming big again after being outside for a long time.
Many examples of the above historically, Milan and Dortmund only two

You still trying to cling on that Milan example. They are shit. Have a far shittier squad than the really big boys right now. Of course they struggle.

Juventus is a big surprise, yes. Barca the same. Even Atletico. But this is the first season when something like this happens.

 

[JamDav1982]

What was this 'Group of Death' this year where the better teams struggled?

Or last year?