Alexis Sanchez

ZenI

Professor Balthazar
Sanchez had 19 goals this season, Pedro had 18 yet Sanchez is some jugadorazo and Pedro is a scrub???

You really let yourself down with the Messi comment. The guy finished 2nd in the Pichichi race, scored more than a goal a game in Europe and had the second best dribbling in La Liga. Meanwhile Sanchez couldn't score a single CL goal and spent all season dribbling in circles with his shoes tied together.

Not everything is about stats, even if I agree scoring goals is. But Alexis scored goals in many important games, Pedro didn't. Also, Sanchez overall game has been much better than Pedro's.
And I compare Messi to Messi from before his injury - not to Aguero or Benzema or even Ronaldo. Indeed, he had a good run of games in the beginning of the season - but the in the second part he was not himself anymore, he was disposed way to often and started to just walk around.
 

DonAndres

Wild Man of Borneo
I agree with everything you just said, but the problem is, of all the players you mentioned only Messi is a reliable scorer. If Neymar was a more reliable scorer, and who know, he might be next season, then Alexis could do as you say provide the movement, work rate and tap ins. As it stands, the team NEEDS a 2nd reliable scorer, and Alexis has assumed that mantle be default, and that's the problem.

I don't think there really is that big of a problem with Alexis's goalscoring reliability. I'm not much for stats but I just loosely crunched some numbers in a comparison between Reus and Alexis for a ratio of (matches scored in)/(total minutes played).

Alexis: scored in 17 games over 3412 minutes yielding a ratio of .00498
Reus: scored in 18 games over 3480 minutes yielding a ratio of .00517

Not a lot of difference right? Before anyone starts crying about it, yes I fully understand that the number is relatively arbitrary and fails to look at a number of different factors at a detailed level. It doesn't prove that Alexis>Reus or anything else of the matter, just that Alexis isn't exactly a whimsical goalscorer who goes missing much more than 'elite' players.

This is also based off of a season in which Alexis plays in a team with far less space than Reus and in a tactical system that was massively inconsistent and troublesome for players under Tata. Alexis still managed to score in important matches (comeback vs. Sevilla, golazo in Clasico, golazo in final league match vs Atletico, etc.). Of course Reus is a much better footballer with a much larger skillset than Alexis, but Alexis' goalscoring consistency has been decently commendable this season and he's proven that we can rely on him.
 

Ursegor

World Champion
I agree with everything you just said, but the problem is, of all the players you mentioned only Messi is a reliable scorer. If Neymar was a more reliable scorer, and who know, he might be next season, then Alexis could do as you say provide the movement, work rate and tap ins. As it stands, the team NEEDS a 2nd reliable scorer, and Alexis has assumed that mantle be default, and that's the problem.

I understand with the team playing better scoring will come easier, however even while Barca might very well play a lot better, there will be games where the opponents defense will stifle and snuff the fluid play. In such games, this team needs more offensive threat from the wings because Messi is going to have a monumental task of carrying the scoring.

One of two things need to happen. Either Neymar gets better at scoring and gives you a consistent 25 goal season (and not scoring in bunches, followed by dry spells), or Barcelona needs to find another secondary reliable scorer to help out.

Such a reliable goalscorer doesn't exist for Barca. Who would you buy (realistically) and replace him with? Villa, a dedicated striker, scored 18 goals in 10/11 and had a dry spell where he scored 1 in 10 in the second half of the season and he was in the peak of his life, 28 years old, coming from a World Cup victory where he was joint topscorer, playing for the best Barca ever. Alexis has already scored more and also in big games (Real Madrid, Atletico Madrid) this season with inconsistent minutes in a worse team and still with room to improve (he's only 25).

I thought the same as you do about goalscoring but then I slowly realized what it means for the team dynamics to play alongside star players like Messi or Ronaldo who are the primary scoring outlets who take 5+ shots per game. Take a look at Benzema at Madrid, he has the same problems, despite playing centrally. It's almost impossible to have Messi scoring 50+ goals in a season with another winger adding 25+ and staying consistent with all the additional workload of tracking back, pressing etc. There can only be 1 main scoring outlet. At Liverpool Suarez' scoring has decreased after Sturridger came back from injury and played centrally. Happens everywhere. Alexis did almost optimal in La Liga this season.

And yes, I agree his overall play can improve. But again. He just turned 25.

Also Messi and Ronaldo have scewed goalscoring statistics. Take a look at Suarez. 31 goals and he is the joint top scorer in Premier League history. You expect a secondary role WINGER to score 25 and stay consistent (Suarez hasn't scored against any top 4 team). It's not realistic.
 

KingMessi

SiempreBlaugrana
Bartomeu: Alexis is not for sale. We know nothing about juventus interest, there was no contact. Alexis is in our plans, we need him and he had an excellent season.
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Pedro and Cesc better not leave if Alexis gets to stay though.
 

KingMessi

SiempreBlaugrana
Hey guys, this quote, from Bartomeu, apparently came from a CHILEAN newspaper. Any truth to that? Any other sources available to confirm the quote?
 

Barcilliant

Senior Member
If we were to sell. It would be for nothing less then 45 million. He's had the best season of his career.

If Chelsea can sell Luiz who has had a shiity season for that absurd amount we can not settle for anything less.

To sell him for anything less would be madness.
 
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Learo

Guest
If we sell, he'll go for 20m. Thats how we operate in the transfer market sadly. I hope he stays.
 

Pepe Silvia

Active member
You're working with the premise that our board are shrewd businessmen like Chelsea's which they have shown they are not. I think 25 is more like what he is valued at combined with what we can sell him for
 

Metaphysical

Bomb Dropper
bottom-line is this: he's not a consistent goal threat.

he's scored 3 of the best goals this season, but he's a scorer of great goals, not a great goalscorer. teams are not afraid of him scoring on them.

and that just means more markers for Messi & Neymar.

also for a guy that isn't the focus on the attack he's too often slow & ponderous with the ball at his feet.

magical footballer, and he's had a great season too, but this is as good as it's gonna get unless Pep comes back and reintroduces that hybrid 9/RW role he played in 11/12. and Pep's not coming back. so yeah. may as well sell now and sign a #9 and give that cockend Deulo the RW minutes.

tho I'd be delighted if he stays, coz he's great and I love him.
 

KingMessi

SiempreBlaugrana
bottom-line is this: he's not a consistent goal threat.

he's scored 3 of the best goals this season, but he's a scorer of great goals, not a great goalscorer. teams are not afraid of him scoring on them.

and that just means more markers for Messi & Neymar.

also for a guy that isn't the focus on the attack he's too often slow & ponderous with the ball at his feet.

magical footballer, and he's had a great season too, but this is as good as it's gonna get unless Pep comes back and reintroduces that hybrid 9/RW role he played in 11/12. and Pep's not coming back. so yeah. may as well sell now and sign a #9 and give that cockend Deulo the RW minutes.

tho I'd be delighted if he stays, coz he's great and I love him.

The fuck did Deulofeu do to you? Did he steal your ice cream or something?
 

Jadentheman

Active member
If we were to sell. It would be for nothing less then 45 million. He's had the best season of his career.

If Chelsea can sell Luiz who has had a shiity season for that absurd amount we can not settle for anything less.

To sell him for anything less would be madness.

lol. I expect nothing less than 30M. You think because PSG likes to throw money at mediocre players means some random club will splash 45M for Alexis? You're deluded if you think think that. Sanchez hasn't exactly proven why he's worth more other the fact he can score lucky goals. No frequent fantastic dribbles or knack for making things happen. Just a support player with really good work rate. A trait while uncommon is still a dime a dozen.
 
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Learo

Guest
Alexis is definitely worth 35m, but we will get 20m. We got 24m pounds for Yaya Toure from the richest club in the world. The same club that Real Madrid received 32m pounds from for Robinho. All our other players have pretty much been released on a free transfer. We might get 8m euros for Song. Basically, if the player isnt a regular starter for us, we tend to release them on free transfers or get a symbolic sum.

Alexis can score 30 goals playing in a more central position in any team.
 
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Metaphysical

Bomb Dropper
The fuck did Deulofeu do to you? Did he steal your ice cream or something?

he's clearly an absolute bellend.

maybe you're 16 and you like that sort of thing, in that case fair enough, but he carries himself like an absolute fratboy dickhead.

great footballer tho.
 

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