Kerrybai
New member
He's been injured, but he'll come good. Also he just came from France, not Spain...
serghei
Senior Member
Alexis dominated la liga?
Best numbers out of any winger not named Ronaldo -- who's not even a winger -- in the league. That's domination.
Ursegor
World Champion
Did Pedro also dominate? With only 4 goals and 2 assists less their numbers were quite similar. Pedro managed more than 2 away goals though.
Why did Tata, who according to your own admission was tactically good, never start Alexis in any big game? Players that "dominate" should start big games. Alexis only started when Neymar was injured, otherwise sat out all the big games.
Icarium
Lifestealer
He did not dominate but he did have special moments. He scored in big games too. I think as a whole he had a good season. Much better than his first two seasons. We had to sell him to buy Suarez who is better than sanchez. We sold Alexis and Cesc because of their directness and inability to fit into our style completely. We need players who are direct when need to be and also to be able to play quick passing game. With one good CM we can bring back that short passing game. It was never going to be achieved with Alexis and cesc.
serghei
Senior Member
Pedro had worse stats and his goals were against lesser sides. Alexis scored against Real, Atletico, Sevilla (X2). Pedro scored against the weaker teams. Alexis started in a number of big games. Even Tata said at some point he decided to start Alexis instead of Neymar because he sensed he was better prepared for the game. Yes, it's true that Tata used to field a 4 midfielders formation, the fact that Alexis had those stats and performances even without starting in every game, that shows he was one the best wingers (if not the best) in the league last year. Being one the best wingers in a league means dominating in my book. Alexis was one of the players who were standouts in the World Cup as well. What is your point actually?
Suarez is a better player than Alexis. At the moment though, he's not showing that. And the style thing, maybe it's true, but should not make us sell players. You don't sell world class players because they don't fit your style. Every player that was not raised withing the club will have troubles playing the Barca way. If that is what is desired, than maybe we sould start playing with the B team. Does Suarez look integrated for you? He looks more lost than Cesc and Alexis. Rakitic as well, he's making me miss Fabregas.
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Ursegor
World Champion
Pedro scored against weak teams, Alexis scored almost exclusively in Camp Nou.
25 goals + assists in Camp Nou, only 4 goals + assists away from home. That's what you call domination? Barca this season without Alexis is the best home team in the league with the most points and most goals scored, 3.6 goals per game, even more than Real Madrid who are on fire. Mind you, this is with Suarez who hasn't even settled yet and Iniesta having contributed 0 so far this season. Barca isn't a team that is struggling to score at home, with or without Alexis. Alexis was also never first choice in big games under a manager you praised for his tactics. If Alexis was dominating, what exactly is Barca missing without Alexis right now? Okay, you've backtracked a little now and declared "domination = best stats by a winger in the league" but "dominating" and boasting better stats than the wingers of Rayo Vallecano, Getafe, Espanyol, Granada, Elche, Almeria, Celta etc. are different concepts for me, Alexis being better than most La Liga wingers goes without saying.
You are quite vocal about Barca's squad with Cesc and Alexis last season being better and Tata being a better coach than Lucho yet Tata already showed glimpses that he prefers Messi on the wing and to play with a real #9 in big games if possible, something that he is also consequently doing with Argentina right now. Sanchez didn't play under him in big games and would have played even less if Tata had gotten a #9 like Suarez. You should realize by now that Sanchez' time at Barca was up, with Tata or with Lucho.
serghei
Senior Member
Tata played with 4 midfielders quite often to create superiority in the midfield area. Of course Alexis was not first choice, since Alexis is not a midfielder. And what is the point of combining stats from home and away games? A season is a season. At the end of the season he had the most goals and the most assists for a winger. That deserves recognition. Yes, I am vocal about the team being better last season, in terms of squad, than this season and I am pretty sure this season's results will be weaker than last season. Statistics show Alexis was one of the players who dominated La Liga last season. It you choose to disregard them, fine. I don't.
Better than Neymar and Bale last season.
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serghei
Senior Member
You don't know what you're talking about. Throwing dirt in players and blowing things out of proportions. Scored in his first two classico in the league, and he was a complete utter failure. Carry on mate... carry on...
He had a good first season, a poor second season and a great 3rd season.
DonAK
President of FC Barcelona
Oh sorry mate. I'm sorry for stealing your job of throwing dirt on players and blowing things out of proportions. I'm still a newbie in these things.
serghei
Senior Member
on which player have I thrown dirt on? Not 1 single player. But I see you decided to start the new year by being funny.
Ursegor
World Champion
Last time I checked Neymar wasn't a midfielder either. But he was first choice in all big games. So Tata was clueless then?
Ursegor
World Champion
Ah, okay. So only you can choose the stats that fit your agenda. Pedro had similar stats as Alexis so logically if Alexis dominated so did Pedro but according to you Pedro didn't dominate because he only scored against easy opponents. So in that case you choose to distinguish your stats - "easy opponents vs. tough opponents." Yet separating home and away stats isn't legit? Although it's exactly the same logic? Camp Nou games are much easier than away games, that is an undeniable fact. Barca scored 64 goals at home and 36 away from home last season.
serghei
Senior Member
No. Alexis has better stats than Pedro. I don't need to explain the stats as long as they prove my point. You do, because overall stats show Alexis > Pedro last season. Similar stats? Not quite. 6 more goals + assists is a clear margin as far as stats are concerned.
He isn't, but Neymar has to play. I didn't agree with everything Tata did, and I don't think he's infallible, I just said he's a better coach than Lucho. Luis Enrique's results with the team this season will probably confirm or infirm that. And please remember he had money on his hands Lucho, and a summer to make transfers and prepare the team. Tata didn't have that.
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