André Gomes

[MessiCam]

No, please no.

Why? He has made less appearances than Gomes and has had more influence on the games in terms of output.

Sometimes I wonder why you're even a Barcelona supporter because your obsession with strength and size for fear of the midfield being overrun is completely against the clubs philosophy.

I'd much rather the club keep Rafinha/Denis and sell Gomes. He is the real ghost because you never see him on the field.

 

[BBZ8800]

Decent in passing but nothing special, 0 key passes, 0 dribbles, 0 crosses, 1 long ball, him and Paulinho were the worst performers in Anoeta. But since Iniesta is out then there's no choice. Could give Denis a chance as well.

Denis has more assists, yes.
But also, tons of lost balls, created counters for our opponents, stupid decisions, he is ruining our midfield's and defensive stability.

Gomes brings way more balance.
About creation, Messi and other guys will take care of creation.
Denis surely won't help in that area.

Why? He has made less appearances than Gomes and has had more influence on the games in terms of output.

Again, yes, Denis had more influence on some assists, but also he always has a huge influence on our crappy midfield and defensive balance because he is not a midfielder, he is often out of position, he can't defend because of his presence/physical skills and we are playing with a man down in that department.

Sometimes I wonder why you're even a Barcelona supporter because your obsession with strength and size for fear of the midfield being overrun is completely against the clubs philosophy.

A good one.
I am Barca's fan because I love our club for 20+ years.
I don't have any emotional attachments to any single player in our club (except Messi) and more or less I don't care if anyone will make it, fail or get fired.
All I care about about is that a club is winning (playing well is secondary).

That said, Denis is still the worst player in our current rooster (after Arda, but he left).
All other players are bringing (in an allround way) more than Denis.

Gomes is just a better footballer when you sum all allround areas.
But if you are obsessed only with passes, dribbles and attacking part, then Denis is better than Gomes.
But then again, football is played in both ways.

Attacking wise, Denis is better than Rakitic.
But for our balance and for team's results, Rakitic is 10 times better (allround) player than Denis.

I'd much rather the club keep Rafinha/Denis and sell Gomes. He is the real ghost because you never see him on the field.

Why bringing Rafinha into this?
He is also miles better allround player than Denis.
Of course that anyone would rather keep Rafinha than Denis.
That is a no brainer decision.

 

[henias]

Denis has more assists, yes.
But also, tons of lost balls, created counters for our opponents, stupid decisions, he is ruining our midfield's and defensive stability.

Gomes brings way more balance.
About creation, Messi and other guys will take care of creation.
Denis surely won't help in that area.

How will his poor dribbling bring any stability if he fails to dribble and get disposessed? Gomes was dispossessed the same rate as Denis (1.3 per match) but fail to create any big chances.

And not just assists, he has more goals plus assists which is pretty impressive. Nothing short of stability.

And I could also say, about defence and stability, dont worry, Paulinho, Semedo, Rakitic, and Buquets and the rest will take care of defence and control since we are playing a 442 anyway.

Gomes was the worst and most mediocre player on the field in Anoeta. No denying that.

There's no point playing too many defensive workshorse mids, it's a misconception because it's actually more risky because when this midfielders cannot penatrate defence or create good chances, they will only keep passing back to deep midfield, which will invite alot of pressure for Rakitic and Busquets.

A midfield diamond of Busquets, Rakitic, Paulinho and Gomes simply doesnt work. It will be Messi creating chances, thats all.

Denis is the more suitable replacement for Iniesta, period.

 

[MessiCam]

Denis has more assists, yes.
But also, tons of lost balls, created counters for our opponents, stupid decisions, he is ruining our midfield's and defensive stability.

Gomes brings way more balance.
About creation, Messi and other guys will take care of creation.
Denis surely won't help in that area.



Again, yes, Denis had more influence on some assists, but also he always has a huge influence on our crappy midfield and defensive balance because he is not a midfielder, he is often out of position, he can't defend because of his presence/physical skills and we are playing with a man down in that department.



A good one.
I am Barca's fan because I love our club for 20+ years.
I don't have any emotional attachments to any single player in our club (except Messi) and more or less I don't care if anyone will make it, fail or get fired.
All I care about about is that a club is winning (playing well is secondary).

That said, Denis is still the worst player in our current rooster (after Arda, but he left).
All other players are bringing (in an allround way) more than Denis.

Gomes is just a better footballer when you sum all allround areas.
But if you are obsessed only with passes, dribbles and attacking part, then Denis is better than Gomes.
But then again, football is played in both ways.

Attacking wise, Denis is better than Rakitic.
But for our balance and for team's results, Rakitic is 10 times better (allround) player than Denis.



Why bringing Rafinha into this?
He is also miles better allround player than Denis.
Of course that anyone would rather keep Rafinha than Denis.
That is a no brainer decision.

Your assessment doesn't hold up in reality...

Defensive contribution of both players for the 2 seasons

Gomes is only better aerially and loses just as many balls (Denis 3.3 per 90 and Gomes 3.5 per 90). Where is the disconnect?

Further I said I'd much rather keep Rafinha and Denis while selling Gomes. Not keep Rafinha over Denis.

 

[LeeRomeno]

Not really. Iniesta has one goal scored in Champions League.

Sure, but you were talking about La Liga and Copa

 

[MessiCam]

How will his poor dribbling bring any stability if he fails to dribble and get disposessed? Gomes was dispossessed the same rate as Denis (1.3 per match) but fail to create any big chances.

And not just assists, he has more goals plus assists which is pretty impressive. Nothing short of stability.

And I could also say, about defence and stability, dont worry, Paulinho, Semedo, Rakitic, and Buquets and the rest will take care of defence and control since we are playing a 442 anyway.

Gomes was the worst and most mediocre player on the field in Anoeta. No denying that.

There's no point playing too many defensive workshorse mids, it's a misconception because it's actually more risky because when this midfielders cannot penatrate defence or create good chances, they will only keep passing back to deep midfield, which will invite alot of pressure for Rakitic and Busquets.

A midfield diamond of Busquets, Rakitic, Paulinho and Gomes simply doesnt work. It will be Messi creating chances, thats all.

Denis is the more suitable replacement for Iniesta, period.

Gomes along with Vidal also gets dribbled passed more than any other player in the squad.

 

[Windhook]

Sure, but you were talking about La Liga and Copa

Nope. I was talking overall, since Gomes has zeros in basic statistics - assists and goals in Champions League, why should I mention that?

 

[viper76]

I hate this player so much and I wish he gets injured for a long time .

 

[henias]

Sure, but you were talking about La Liga and Copa

Comparing Iniesta and Gomes is like comparing a Ferrari and a Nissan and saying they are the same just because they both are driving side by side at the same speed.

In La Liga, Iniesta has 73% successful dribbles, Gomes has a terrible 45%, Iniesta even though he seems much weaker has a 55% duels won compared to Gomes' 40%. Passing wise, Iniesta recorded a 45.8 accurate passes per game (88%) vs Gomes' 14.5 accurate passes per game (88%). Of course, Iniesta is much more impressive due to playing more minutes and still was able to maintain an 88% rate, which is crazily good. Iniesta technicality is unparalleled, and saying Gomes will provide more stability is a farce when he is dispossesed 1.3 per game more than Iniesta's 1.1 per game.

 

[Potroh]

I don't have any emotional attachments to any single player in our club (except Messi) and more or less I don't care if anyone will make it, fail or get fired.
All I care about about is that a club is winning (playing well is secondary).

I'm happy to finally hear your "philosophy" behind the non-emotional sentences we have been reading by your pen.
We also hear that Dembele will need 3-4 weeks to return to the pitch, so you have plenty of time resting your emotionless thoughts for some time.

But I also finally read that all you care about is winning (playing well is secondary). Interesting, though not uncommon.

Just because you love to "analyze" this game and its protagonists, let me tell you something. Something that you may have missed in your "love our club for 20+ years".
Let it be a question or food of thought to your own analytic mind.
Namely, that is it really an analytic approach if you claim to care for results only and not giving a damn if the result is achieved by the worst kind of performance?

Are you happier watching your favorite team playing badly and uninterestingly, winning by a lucky own-goal in the 94th minute, etc.?
Asking, because if you do, you are absolutely and completely emotional towards that team and its players. No analysis my friend, just mere emotions...

So you do like the beauty contest having been won by the ugliest participant, an outstandingly stupid politician becoming a president, thus all you care about is winning the war, with the notion of "the end justifies the means", etc.

It's all right - by the way - you aren't alone with this approach. The only problem is that it's anything but non-emotional, highly biassed, thoroughly oversimplified and with this notion, you are rather an "actuating general" behind your analytic sentences, rather than someone who also cares for the qualities and aesthetics of the game.

If "playing well is secondary" to you, then you have most probably wasted the 20+ years having been a supporter, an avid fan or whatever you may declare yourself to be.
Why? Because by playing bad and winning at the same time, you fulfill the anti-thesis of this BEAUTIFUL sports...

 

[BBZ8800]

There's no point playing too many defensive workshorse mids, it's a misconception because it's actually more risky because when this midfielders cannot penatrate defence or create good chances, they will only keep passing back to deep midfield, which will invite alot of pressure for Rakitic and Busquets.

Yeah, no point in playing with workhorses.
This is why we are +19 points infront of Rm, why we haven't lost any CL match and why our defense is better than ever.
While our attack is as good as always.

Also, workhorses managed to win at Anoeta after 10 years, where even prime Messi, Xavi, Iniesta, Busquets and our beloved 433 was failing for years.

So, you convinced me.
Workhorses suck, let's move to type of players like Denis.

A midfield diamond of Busquets, Rakitic, Paulinho and Gomes simply doesnt work. It will be Messi creating chances, thats all.

Well, we do have two more creators in our team.
Iniesta and Coutinho.
442 with workhorses and with Iniesta and/or Coutinho will be fine.
Way better than any 433s with short players from the last few years.

Denis is the more suitable replacement for Iniesta, period.

We have Coutinho and maybe Alena.
Denis can be Iniesta's replacement at Malaga or Celta.

 

[mampilly]

Denis has more assists, yes.
But also, tons of lost balls, created counters for our opponents, stupid decisions, he is ruining our midfield's and defensive stability.

Gomes brings way more balance.
About creation, Messi and other guys will take care of creation.
Denis surely won't help in that area.



Again, yes, Denis had more influence on some assists, but also he always has a huge influence on our crappy midfield and defensive balance because he is not a midfielder, he is often out of position, he can't defend because of his presence/physical skills and we are playing with a man down in that department.



A good one.
I am Barca's fan because I love our club for 20+ years.
I don't have any emotional attachments to any single player in our club (except Messi) and more or less I don't care if anyone will make it, fail or get fired.
All I care about about is that a club is winning (playing well is secondary).

That said, Denis is still the worst player in our current rooster (after Arda, but he left).
All other players are bringing (in an allround way) more than Denis.

Gomes is just a better footballer when you sum all allround areas.
But if you are obsessed only with passes, dribbles and attacking part, then Denis is better than Gomes.
But then again, football is played in both ways.

Attacking wise, Denis is better than Rakitic.
But for our balance and for team's results, Rakitic is 10 times better (allround) player than Denis.



Why bringing Rafinha into this?
He is also miles better allround player than Denis.
Of course that anyone would rather keep Rafinha than Denis.
That is a no brainer decision.

I agree with you in the case of Gomaz and denis . But in case of rafinja , he is an injury prone player. so it is better to sell him

 

[MessiCam]

Yeah, no point in playing with workhorses.
This is why we are +19 points infront of Rm, why we haven't lost any CL match and why our defense is better than ever.
While our attack is as good as always.

Also, workhorses managed to win at Anoeta after 10 years, where even prime Messi, Xavi, Iniesta, Busquets and our beloved 433 was failing for years.

So, you convinced me.
Workhorses suck, let's move to type of players like Denis.



Well, we do have two more creators in our team.
Iniesta and Coutinho.
442 with workhorses and with Iniesta and/or Coutinho will be fine.
Way better than any 433s with short players from the last few years.



We have Coutinho and maybe Alena.
Denis can be Iniesta's replacement at Malaga or Celta.

Firstly, Gomes is not even playing like workhorse. He attempts tackles but loses many of them. He is just rubbish... More rubbish than even Denis... Secondly, Gomes is not responsible for the 19 point lead over Real Madrid. Busquets, Iniesta and Paulinho have had way more influence in that and there is only 1 workhorse there. I don't even like Rakitic but his recent impact on games is undeniable.

Don't come at me with opinions. Bring me facts that show Gomes is better than Denis because he loses balls more often, gets dribbled passed more often, Attempts as many dribbles but has a lower success rate, wins less ground duels although he attempts more, provided zero assists and hasn't created a big scoring chance - NOT EVEN 1. In fact he is only better aerially.

 

[henias]

Yeah, no point in playing with workhorses.
This is why we are +19 points infront of Rm, why we haven't lost any CL match and why our defense is better than ever.
While our attack is as good as always.

Also, workhorses managed to win at Anoeta after 10 years, where even prime Messi, Xavi, Iniesta, Busquets and our beloved 433 was failing for years.

So, you convinced me.
Workhorses suck, let's move to type of players like Denis.

Wow. So one win against Sociedad is enough to draw the conclusion that Gomes was absoutely vital in our win? He was the worst player in the field, made only 26 passes and werent all that defensively superior. All in all, he had a very mediocre performance. We won because Suarez was on fire that night he capitalised on one mistake and made an amazing run down the left flank to provide an assist for Paulinho and even scored a beautiful curl shot, assisted by Messi, created by Roberto. The midfield was an absolutely mess and we conceded the first first 2 goals and could have been 3-0 if it wasnt for Rakitic's dive. Suarez turned the game around and Messi's goal was simply a icing on the cake. \

You are also not factoring that Sociedad were very poor this year, and also lost to Madrid 3-1 at home this season. They are 15th place this year as opposed to 6th the last year and 9th the year before.

I could also draw the conclusion that Denis vital goal against Getafe, proves he was crucial in our attack and midfield, and Getafe has been a far more superior team than Sociedad this year.

It's sweeping conclusion just to say Gomes was vital for us, just because of one game against an opponent we call a "curse".

All in all, Denis has been better overall for us and Gomes being a defensively superior players is all but a myth.

Well, we do have two more creators in our team.
Iniesta and Coutinho.
442 with workhorses and with Iniesta and/or Coutinho will be fine.
Way better than any 433s with short players from the last few years.

I' clearly talking about the current lineup without Iniesta or Coutinho.

We have Coutinho and maybe Alena.
Denis can be Iniesta's replacement at Malaga or Celta.

See above.

 

[Horatio]

Wow. So one win against Sociedad is enough to draw the conclusion that Gomes was absoutely vital in our win?

Says the guy waiting for that one loss to draw all the conclusions from.