Andrés Iniesta

[henias]

You don't get anything for going unbeaten so it's not a goal when starting a season but when its in reach i understand that it's something the club wants to achieve. It's a rare opportunity and definitely something special.

That being sad its obviously stupid to throw CL for it but tbh i don't think that was intentional and i don't think resting 2-3 players once or twice more would've made the difference vs Roma. We played that game like shit and it wasn't only about our players being tired, the way we played and Valverdes subs say everything about how we handled the situation.

Obviously it isnt the sole reason, but the lack of energy was visible. Pique and Iniesta shouldnt have played the league game before and Roberto should be rested if EV decide to play him as a wide player, which is physically demanding. Rakitic is also another one who is constantly playing without much rest. Suarez and Messi are both over 30 and are playing more minutes than any other older forwards in other leagues.

Fact is we have been scraping past the CL, especially against Chelsea. Iniesta was definitely overused and you can see our midfield being overrun, especially in the later stages of the season.

Energy is a huge factor for us especially if you want to produce in big stages like the CL, and you cannot go in unprepared and expect to win. It doesnt work that way.

Of course, Valverde subs made it worse.

 

[LeeRomeno]

Yes people saw it coming that we will get knocked out bad, considering how little rotations there are in preparations for the CL.

Tactics wise, we look terrible and it's no surprise no one stood out. We played too conservative and the lack of pace and energy was easy to exploit. Again, no one is being a hater, you are the one obsessed with them.

If he froze then how is he intelligent? You are a clown in the forums, defending his ass every time.

Yeah lets see how "intelligent" he is, especially with Griezmann possibly coming.

People saw us losing in every next game vs every next "strong opponent" for entire year. That is not great insight considering we lost exactly 2 games. Little rotations? Nice myth. Every top team tries to rotate as less as possible and as much as needed.
Most of top teams have the first lineup players around 4000 minutes per season and around 50 games. We are no different (apart from Messi, who always plays way more)
We played with similar tactics as we did when we beat them 4-1. Difference was that Rome thought tie was not over, we thought it was. If we played first game at Rome, result would have been different.

I have a feeling most of the people I argue here have little or no life experience or knowledge about management and success. If you think intelligent people cannot choke or freeze or make mistakes, you are in for a ride.
I would have no need to defend anyone if the arguments and the attacks against someone would be reasonable, but for most of cases they are not and massively exaggerated. You are a great example of a "fan" who more or less has been bitching about everything for entire year and after winning double, what you do? You still keep bitching. And you call me a clown rofl.

 

[henias]

People saw us losing in every next game vs every next "strong opponent" for entire year. That is not great insight considering we lost exactly 2 games. Little rotations? Nice myth. Every top team tries to rotate as less as possible and as much as needed.
Most of top teams have the first lineup players around 4000 minutes per season and around 50 games. We are no different (apart from Messi, who always plays way more)
We played with similar tactics as we did when we beat them 4-1. Difference was that Rome thought tie was not over, we thought it was. If we played first game at Rome, result would have been different.

I have a feeling most of the people I argue here have little or no life experience or knowledge about management and success. If you think intelligent people cannot choke or freeze or make mistakes, you are in for a ride.
I would have no need to defend anyone if the arguments and the attacks against someone would be reasonable, but for most of cases they are not and massively exaggerated. You are a great example of a "fan" who more or less has been bitching about everything for entire year and after winning double, what you do? You still keep bitching. And you call me a clown rofl.

Again, it isnt about winning the double. You can keep repeating that.

And you keep acting like it's just one game. His subs and lineups have been terrible all season.

People like you also claim we wont lose 3-0 or 4-0 in the CL under Valverde and still got humiliated.

Yeah keep saying Gomes deserve to be given time to improve while Semedo doesnt seem to fit in Barca. Then talk about life and success. Keep repeating your made up bullshit, you clown.

 

[LeeRomeno]

Again, it isnt about winning the double. You can keep repeating that.

And you keep acting like it's just one game. His subs and lineups have been terrible all season.

Yeah keep saying Gomes deserve to be given time to improve while Semedo doesnt seem to fit in Barca. Keep repeating your made up bullshit, you clown.

His subs and lineups have been terrible all season yet we are winning the double and have lost 2 games in the season. That sure makes sense. Just because he does not use your favorite players every game or sub them in does not make it right or wrong. Results speak for themselves.
Where exactly did i say Gomes deserves to be given time or Semedo doesnt seem to fit in Barca? Stop making up shit.
As for made up bullshit, "terrible subs and lineups" is made up bullshit, winning double is fact, just a notice.

 

[Trickykid]

People saw us losing in every next game vs every next "strong opponent" for entire year. That is not great insight considering we lost exactly 2 games. Little rotations? Nice myth. Every top team tries to rotate as less as possible and as much as needed.
Most of top teams have the first lineup players around 4000 minutes per season and around 50 games. We are no different (apart from Messi, who always plays way more)
We played with similar tactics as we did when we beat them 4-1. Difference was that Rome thought tie was not over, we thought it was. If we played first game at Rome, result would have been different.

I have a feeling most of the people I argue here have little or no life experience or knowledge about management and success. If you think intelligent people cannot choke or freeze or make mistakes, you are in for a ride.
I would have no need to defend anyone if the arguments and the attacks against someone would be reasonable, but for most of cases they are not and massively exaggerated. You are a great example of a "fan" who more or less has been bitching about everything for entire year and after winning double, what you do? You still keep bitching. And you call me a clown rofl.

Exactly, and then they have the gall to gloat and screech I told you so when it finally happens. Priceless.

Anyhow, I definitely think overplaying a few key players could've had an impact on the Rome disaster. More than that though, it was a question of EV shitting the bed completely and if course just about every single player underperforming to an extent we've rarely seen before.

If EV doesn't learn from this and improve during next season, he's clearly not the manager to raise us to the last tier, but all in all a double is a fantastic result considering the circumstances on which we started the season. An invincibles season would be nothing short of stellar and as arbitrary as it may seem, it would mean at least as much as any title out there.

 

[henias]

His subs and lineups have been terrible all season yet we are winning the double and have lost 2 games in the season. That sure makes sense. Just because he does not use your favorite players every game or sub them in does not make it right or wrong. Results speak for themselves.
Where exactly did i say Gomes deserves to be given time or Semedo doesnt seem to fit in Barca? Stop making up shit.
As for made up bullshit, "terrible subs and lineups" is made up bullshit, winning double is fact, just a notice.

Haha, you'd think I forgot about all the bullshit you posted in here. You are Semedo's biggest critique and yet when it comes to Gomes, you said he deserve to be given time to improve.

It sure doesnt make sense you are right, because Messi have saved EV's ass countless times. Also, you can keep talking about the unbeaten record.

Yet we still lost 3-0 which people like you claim we will never lose big under Valverde.

Yeah sure, people are biased with their "favourite players", but when it comes to Gomes you sure are talking alot of sense. People are not fcking blind to see who is better.

 

[Joan]

It has been done in La Liga. It's been a very long time, but it has been done.

Who did it?

 

[Joan]

Exactly, and then they have the gall to gloat and screech I told you so when it finally happens. Priceless.

Anyhow, I definitely think overplaying a few key players could've had an impact on the Rome disaster. More than that though, it was a question of EV shitting the bed completely and if course just about every single player underperforming to an extent we've rarely seen before.

If EV doesn't learn from this and improve during next season, he's clearly not the manager to raise us to the last tier, but all in all a double is a fantastic result considering the circumstances on which we started the season. An invincibles season would be nothing short of stellar and as arbitrary as it may seem, it would mean at least as much as any title out there.

Agreed.

EV has done some things wrong. Roma lost is a tragedy and great humiliation. But it has nothing to do with invincibles season. It's such a huge and rare achievement.

 

[henias]

People are getting carried away. Unbeaten is definitely some sort of achievement and I have no problem with it.

But it should never be a priority. That's the difference.

We can chase the unbeaten record when we have the capabilities but clearly we dont have. People should always remember the league is an accumulation of points, it should be more strategic than to go all out every game. One win and a loss is still better than 2 draws. Furthermore, we have had a comfortable lead cushion.

 

[LeeRomeno]

Exactly, and then they have the gall to gloat and screech I told you so when it finally happens. Priceless.

Anyhow, I definitely think overplaying a few key players could've had an impact on the Rome disaster. More than that though, it was a question of EV shitting the bed completely and if course just about every single player underperforming to an extent we've rarely seen before.

If EV doesn't learn from this and improve during next season, he's clearly not the manager to raise us to the last tier, but all in all a double is a fantastic result considering the circumstances on which we started the season. An invincibles season would be nothing short of stellar and as arbitrary as it may seem, it would mean at least as much as any title out there.

Yes of course, it was weird to see Pique being played so much through injury, Suarez clearly needed a rest as well. But it was not the main reason for our loss.

 

[LeeRomeno]

People are getting carried away. Unbeaten is definitely some sort of achievement and I have no problem with it.

But it should never be a priority. That's the difference.

We can chase the unbeaten record when we have the capabilities but clearly we dont have. People should always remember the league is an accumulation of points, it should be more strategic than to go all out every game. One win and a loss is still better than 2 draws. Furthermore, we have had a comfortable lead cushion.

We had beaten Roma 4-1 just before, I am pretty sure no one thought getting through next game was going to be an issue. And that is the problem. Not the priorities.

 

[Trickykid]

Yes of course, it was weird to see Pique being played so much through injury, Suarez clearly needed a rest as well. But it was not the main reason for our loss.

No, definitely not.

 

[LeeRomeno]

Haha, you'd think I forgot about all the bullshit you posted in here. You are Semedo's biggest critique and yet when it comes to Gomes, you said he deserve to be given time to improve.

It sure doesnt make sense you are right, because Messi have saved EV's ass countless times. Also, you can keep talking about the unbeaten record.

Yet we still lost 3-0 which people like you claim we will never lose big under Valverde.

Yeah sure, people are biased with their "favourite players", but when it comes to Gomes you sure are talking alot of sense. People are not fcking blind to see who is better.

I have not posted any bullshit here. Semedos biggest critique? No, i have only spoken in Semedo thread if people come with ridiculous arguments. Like he is some young kid being benched unfairly, having no gametime or being so much better than Roberto in RB position. Thats about it. He seems like a decent squad player, but his season has been up and downs, similar to Robertos.
Gomes deserves to be given time to improve? Wtf ridiculous statement is that, never said anything like that, for sure not this season. He had alot of gametime last season, much more than he deserved, he had a few good games in winter, but he has been very bad ever since. I have only spoken out once again if people have come out with ridiculous arguments against him. Thats it.
Messi saved Peps, Titos, Enriques ass many times as well. If you are best player in the world and getting paid ridiculous amounts of money, you are suppose to do that.

Argument was that Valverde will never lose to big to TOP teams. Roma is not a top team, Roma was a team everyone massively underrated and we got paid for that.

Is Gomes my favourite player? No? Should he start? No. Should he come from bench? No. Should he be in Barcelona next season? No. Should we trash him no matter he plays good, decent, bad or does not play at all? Also no.
Is game lineup wrong because you do not like it? No

 

[henias]

I have not posted any bullshit here. Semedos biggest critique? No, i have only spoken in Semedo thread if people come with ridiculous arguments. Like he is some young kid being benched unfairly, having no gametime or being so much better than Roberto in RB position. Thats about it. He seems like a decent squad player, but his season has been up and downs, similar to Robertos.
Gomes deserves to be given time to improve? Wtf ridiculous statement is that, never said anything like that, for sure not this season. He had alot of gametime last season, much more than he deserved, he had a few good games in winter, but he has been very bad ever since. I have only spoken out once again if people have come out with ridiculous arguments against him. Thats it.
Messi saved Peps, Titos, Enriques ass many times as well. If you are best player in the world and getting paid ridiculous amounts of money, you are suppose to do that.

Argument was that Valverde will never lose to big to TOP teams. Roma is not a top team, Roma was a team everyone massively underrated and we got paid for that.

Is Gomes my favourite player? No? Should he start? No. Should he come from bench? No. Should he be in Barcelona next season? No. Should we trash him no matter he plays good, decent, bad or does not play at all? Also no.
Is game lineup wrong because you do not like it? No

Roberto would be playing majority of the games if it wasnt for the red card. Anyone could see Semedo was benched immediately after that Roma loss. He was getting very irregular minutes under Valverde.

Yes, countless bullshit by you, you can keep denying and changing your stance every now and then, you even said Gomes offers something other players wouldnt have and stats wouldnt have recorded that. And said he only has 2 seasons so he should be given more slack. And Semedo has how many seasons here? Fcking bullshit I say.

Keep being a clown like you always do.

 

[ManusXavi]

Am I the only the only one who is confident Iniesta will end up in Australia instead of Japan?