Antoine Griezmann
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henias
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Griezmann is no pure striker unfortunately. Even Suarez as a number 9 has play on the wings and take on defenders because he had to make way for Messi cutting in.
Suarez's strike today is a classic example of how he does it:
He takes a touch, got past a defenser and easily finishes it with his striking prowess.
Another great example of a great number 9 is Firmino's goal against Arsenal. Look how he puts defenders to bed. Firmino is a perfect mix between a striker and a false 9. These are the qualities best as a 9 especially with Messi playing deep.
It's all about that great poaching instinct and the agility and acceleration that takes on defenders by surprise.
Griezmann can hardly dribble, take on and has minimal sheer striking ability. He plays behind defenders mostly and picks up loose balls.
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Raketa10
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Yeah solution is give the ball to Messi. Only possible solution with our moronic manager.
Your literal complaint is about griezmann being played out of position and your solution is to....play him out of position?
Once again he doesn't have any options when every conceivable realistic (messi isnt playing striker forget it ) option involves him out of position.
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BBZ8800
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For fans who would bench Suarez...
Suarez sucks in a lot of areas, but at least he can score.
Our team struggles with goals, outside of Messi.
And Suarez is for years our only consistent scorer with way better numbers than Griezz.
Even this season, Griezz has huge problems with finishing:
Suarez: 17 shots, 5 goals=3,4 shots needed for 1 goal
Griezmann: 23 shots, 3 goals=almost 8 shots needed for 1 goal to be scored.
Plus, in a preseason he had around 15 shots and 1 goal, which means around 40 shots for Barca and 4 goals in total.
Also, 761 minutes played, 3 goals scored.
He needs 254 minutes to score 1 goal.
Link up play and workrate are nice things.
But our team needs goals (even if that means bad passes from Suarez) when you look at 11 players and current team's needs.
Suarez sucks in a lot of areas, but at least he can score.
Our team struggles with goals, outside of Messi.
And Suarez is for years our only consistent scorer with way better numbers than Griezz.
Even this season, Griezz has huge problems with finishing:
Suarez: 17 shots, 5 goals=3,4 shots needed for 1 goal
Griezmann: 23 shots, 3 goals=almost 8 shots needed for 1 goal to be scored.
Plus, in a preseason he had around 15 shots and 1 goal, which means around 40 shots for Barca and 4 goals in total.
Also, 761 minutes played, 3 goals scored.
He needs 254 minutes to score 1 goal.
Link up play and workrate are nice things.
But our team needs goals (even if that means bad passes from Suarez) when you look at 11 players and current team's needs.
FinBarcelonafan
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But overall Griezmann is on different level. He can make passes, he can work on defense etc. Griez these days is a much better player.
I don't think Griez was brought here to score one goal per game, but to win trophies. He is a guy who will win trophies with team effort.
BBZ8800
Senior Member
It is not about a player versus player but what a team as a whole needs.
Busquets is a better player than Vidal as an individual in majority of areas.
But our midfield works better in Vidal-Arthur-Frenkie trio.
Why?
Because Vidal brings something which Frenkie and Arthur lack (attack), or something which a whole team needs.
In attack, we have a creator in Messi.
If we have enough of a possession and two creators in Messi and Griezz, who will score then?
Griezz always had weaker scoring numbers than Suarez.
Plus he was taking penalty shots and free kicks.
His numbers from an open play were always average for a Cf level.
And at Barca, since he won't take pens and free kicks, all you get is an attacker who is slow, can't dribble, doesn't play in a box, isn't an aerial threat and isn't a lethal finisher.
Imo, the only possible positions for Griezmann are:
1. A bench
2. Iniesta's role
3. Or a CF when Suarez is injured
serghei
Senior Member
[MENTION=16942]BBZ8800[/MENTION] is right about this one. Let's look at this logically. Suarez is as classic and conservative striker as you get. Pure 9. Griezmann is not. He is a hybrid striker, attacking midfielder, winger. He simply can't play as a striker under a conservative manager. Managers like Valverde need players who are very clear and position oriented, he has proven he can't work and use versatile players well. Griezmann is a versatile player, but he is hard to fit in a certain position. He needs a different type of manager, or a new system. Since neither is happening atm, Suarez is better, despite his issues.
DonAK
President of FC Barcelona
At most, one season of Griezmann is wasted playing out of position or bouncing around.
Next season we're likely to get someone that is better, or so I hope, so he'll likely have a more prominent role in the team.
Bit like Henry's transformation from 2007 to 2008-09 if everything goes well.
Watch Dusan Tadic tearing it up for Ajax.
Next season we're likely to get someone that is better, or so I hope, so he'll likely have a more prominent role in the team.
Bit like Henry's transformation from 2007 to 2008-09 if everything goes well.
Watch Dusan Tadic tearing it up for Ajax.
serghei
Senior Member
Looking at this in terms of what we can do with the current situation, and putting aside the complains about Valverde (he's not going away for a few more months at least), and now that Messi is back it's very unlikely we'll suck as much as it's needed to get him sacked midseason.
So, looking at this from a practical perspective we are at this situation.
Keeper, rock solid with Stegen and Neto.
RB - Solid with Semedo and Roberto. Semedo is a top rightback and nobody can convince me otherwise.
LB - Solid again with Alba who is still one of the best and Firpo who is good attacking.
CB - Very vulnerable point. Lenglet is playing worse than last season, and Pique is with his head in the clouds. Umtiti is crooked. We need to give time to Todibo to see what he can do and if he can help us this season.
DM - Rock solid with De Jong, and then Rakitic and Busi as back-ups.
CM - Rock solid with Arthur and then Rakitic/Roberto.
CM/AM/B2B - Solid with Arthuro Vidal and Rakitic/Roberto.
RW/CAM - Rock solid with Messi. Nuff said.
ST - Very solid with Suarez and Griezmann, but with question marks regarding consistency
LW - Solid with Dembele and Fati or Griezmann
Manager - Very vulnerable point.
So, biggest worries for me are manager - with all the problems deriving from that, and central defense area.
So, looking at this from a practical perspective we are at this situation.
Keeper, rock solid with Stegen and Neto.
RB - Solid with Semedo and Roberto. Semedo is a top rightback and nobody can convince me otherwise.
LB - Solid again with Alba who is still one of the best and Firpo who is good attacking.
CB - Very vulnerable point. Lenglet is playing worse than last season, and Pique is with his head in the clouds. Umtiti is crooked. We need to give time to Todibo to see what he can do and if he can help us this season.
DM - Rock solid with De Jong, and then Rakitic and Busi as back-ups.
CM - Rock solid with Arthur and then Rakitic/Roberto.
CM/AM/B2B - Solid with Arthuro Vidal and Rakitic/Roberto.
RW/CAM - Rock solid with Messi. Nuff said.
ST - Very solid with Suarez and Griezmann, but with question marks regarding consistency
LW - Solid with Dembele and Fati or Griezmann
Manager - Very vulnerable point.
So, biggest worries for me are manager - with all the problems deriving from that, and central defense area.
messi2140
6racies Xavi
Was about to mention that but you beat me to it. Im seeing here that player x or y cant play in that position etc. Meanwhile Ten Hag has an attacking trio of Neres/Promes- Tadic- Ziyech 2 of those arent even playing in their original position and a midfield that consists of a defender.
Meanwhile poor Valverde cant fit in Griezmann. Don't get me wrong buying Griezmann wasnt a smart idea in the first place , but when your manager knows a thing or 2 about football he would have made it work , instead of shoving down the wing time and time again and expecting things to pan out like Coutinho.
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henias
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Not saying Valverde has no responsibility, but you can't simply compare Ajax's attacking trio to anything else. That's merely simplifying it.
Some has the qualities to play different strong roles, as of the case of young bloods, who can literally dribble, score, skill, and are dynamic as hell. However, Griezmann is already reaching a stage where he is more comfortable in his own positions like Suarez and Messi who are also reaching an age. If you try to develop these old players into something different it can be certainly be quite a tough thing to do.
I have said many times, the solution is to develop Fati and Dembele and possibly have Messi in his remaining years. Get a new manager, not old star players who are worth 100s of millions.
Some has the qualities to play different strong roles, as of the case of young bloods, who can literally dribble, score, skill, and are dynamic as hell. However, Griezmann is already reaching a stage where he is more comfortable in his own positions like Suarez and Messi who are also reaching an age. If you try to develop these old players into something different it can be certainly be quite a tough thing to do.
I have said many times, the solution is to develop Fati and Dembele and possibly have Messi in his remaining years. Get a new manager, not old star players who are worth 100s of millions.
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