Arda Turan

[Messi983]

BS rumours.

There is no way Besiktas would offer that much and even if they do he'll reject them as he's Galatasaray man.

 

[springfield]

I don't think the board will keep Turan. If they get a decent offer, he will go. Don't forget that Turan also needs to want the move. You can't sell a player to a team without his permission. Gomes might not leave, but he's still young so if he stays this season, you can still get money for him.

 

[serghei]

We need to sell this guy. I'd take any offer as low as 25m. for him.

 

[God Serena]

Patience. We'll see how he turns out next season. At this moment he could do much better but he isn't a liability either.

If he wants to get more important game time he will need to step up though.

For me so far.

"+"

Great ball winner in midfield.
Good passing skills, especially in short range.
Capable of having magic touches and moments out of the blue.
Very good final pass in the last 3rd of the pitch.


"-"

A bit rash with tackling.
Looks to avoid long passes (probably isn't confident enough to go for 30-40m passes).


"expected negatives"

Not yet integrated.
Not in his best physical form.

I give him a 7/10 so far. I'm moderately pleased with him.

I think this goal will do really good to his confidence and he'll start to play much better.

Well said, took the words out of my mouth

We need more patience and this particular situation is not for some young kid with hype behind him or some good player from South America or a very different league, Arda was one of the backbones of one of the biggest Liga teams and is basically a proven talent. Back when Suarez was not scoring for like first 7 or so matches some fans and the media were talking about how the system does not fit him and how he may leave sooner than some people think etc....

He needs more time to settle. IMO he hasn't been as solid as we all know he can be, but it would be mad to expect that, when he hasn't played competitive matches for so long.

But the rest of the season might prove good for him: He will get a lot of playing time in league games, where Rakitic and Iniesta will be rested more than before.

Sergi Roberto is doing pretty good. Yes, he's not regular (yet) but can be. Rafinha has proved his quality too before injury. I think we can safely count on both of them for the future. Others are still unproven on top level, I can agree with that but I believe at least one of them will succeed.

We tried to get younger, WC midfielder like Cesc in the past and it didn't work out. And he was supposed to know our system and adapt quickly. So who can guarantee us that it would be better if we had signed some other younger player last year instead of Arda. Also keep in mind that most of the players wouldn't be willing to sit for 6 months in a year before Euro/Copa.

There is a massive difference between the way Barca play, and the way Atletico play. Quite simply put, I think he's more used to playing without the ball, than with it, because of his long period with Atletico. But he'll be very good for us. Maybe not this season, but the next season I say we can count on him as much as on Rakitic.

That last one is my personal favorite.

I miss the Arda brigade. We'll probably never see such a shit player have such a strong support here for years.

 

[JamDav1982]

That last one is my personal favorite.

I miss the Arda brigade. We'll probably never see such a shit player have such a strong support here for years.

What a twattish move to being up old quotes on players to act so smug.

Would guess could do that with every single poster on here. No point.

 

[KingMessi]

That last one is my personal favorite.

I miss the Arda brigade. We'll probably never see such a shit player have such a strong support here for years.

You know you could probably do this same thing with a lot of players, right? And the reverse as well, people bashing a player and then changing their minds when they start playing well.

 

[God Serena]

What a twattish move to being up old quotes on players to act so smug.

Would guess could do that with every single poster on here. No point.

I just find the massive blind support he had amusing. Him being poor was clear as day from day 1 but he still had that support until January or February...

You know you could probably do this same thing with a lot of players, right? And the reverse as well, people bashing a player and then changing their minds when they start playing well.

See above.

 

[JamDav1982]

I just find the massive blind support he had amusing. Him being poor was clear as day from day 1 but he still had that support until January or February...



See above.

Basically trolling for no reason.

Smug as fuck.

 

[God Serena]

Basically trolling for no reason.

Smug as fuck.

Oh no. I'm being "smug".

What ever will I do?

 

[JamDav1982]

Oh no. I'm being "smug".

What ever will I do?

Nothing I would expect.

Anyway more fool me for reading that pish so ignore list best way to go.

 

[God Serena]

Nothing I would expect.

Anyway more fool me for reading that pish so ignore list best way to go.

Who would have thought that after all the back and forth nonsense I've had from you all I had to do was some casual quote mining to never be quoted by you again?

Hopefully it lasts longer than the next time I say something you disagree with. Shouldn't take too long for that to happen so we'll just have to wait and see.

 

[BBZ8800]

BS rumours.

There is no way Besiktas would offer that much and even if they do he'll reject them as he's Galatasaray man.

Yes.
Their highest transfers ever are 8M Euros:
https://www.transfermarkt.com/besiktas-istanbul/transferrekorde/verein/114

I have no idea who would pay more than 15M for him, even in current market.
Also, I would like to see who will pay more than 15M for Rafinha or more than 10M for Denis also.

 

[God Serena]

Yes.
Their highest transfers ever are 8M Euros:
https://www.transfermarkt.com/besiktas-istanbul/transferrekorde/verein/114

I have no idea who would pay more than 15M for him, even in current market.
Also, I would like to see who will pay more than 15M for Rafinha or more than 10M for Denis also.

Yeah, most people who throw around those 30m for Rafinha, 25-30m for Arda, etc. price tags aren't being realistic.

If you want to make that kind of money on a player they have to at least show something to warrant another team possibly wanting them. Us getting lucky another team wants Rafinha doesn't mean he's suddenly worth all these millions.

 

[Jombi]

Yes.
Their highest transfers ever are 8M Euros:
https://www.transfermarkt.com/besiktas-istanbul/transferrekorde/verein/114

I have no idea who would pay more than 15M for him, even in current market.
Also, I would like to see who will pay more than 15M for Rafinha or more than 10M for Denis also.

Arda will not be sold. He'll be loaned out because no one will be willing to pay any transfer fee for him. Thats the reality.

 

[BBZ8800]

Yeah, most people who throw around those 30m for Rafinha, 25-30m for Arda, etc. price tags aren't being realistic.

If you want to make that kind of money on a player they have to at least show something to warrant another team possibly wanting them. Us getting lucky another team wants Rafinha doesn't mean he's suddenly worth all these millions.

People usually reply: in the current market.

But, the thing is, NOT all players are inflated.
Or, NOT all players are inflated equally.

For example, if 5 years ago, CR7 was worth 100M, today he is worth, let's say 200 or 250.
The same as Neymar.
So, the price for TOP PLAYERS have doubled or tripled.
So, yes, we have an inflation here.

Also, players whom TOP teams are interested in like Bellerin, Semedo, Keita, Seri, Verratti=are inflated also.
Players like Bellerin and Semedo were worth 15-25M a few years ago.
Today they are worth 50-60M.

On the other hand, crap or average players in whom no one is interested=are not inflated.
Or, in best case, their price is only 1-2 Millions higher than a few years ago.

So, if Neymar's price jumped from 80-100 Millions to 200-250 Millions, on the other hand, a price of Douglas, Montoya, Bojan Krkic, Tello and other guys is NOT inflated.
No one wanted Tello, Montoya or Douglas 5 years ago. And the same is today.
So, if Tello was worth 8-10 Millions a few years ago, his price HASN'T jumped to 20-25, because of "current market".
Tello was an average player whom no one wanted both 3 years ago and today.
His price was 8-10M both 5 years ago and today.

So, again, people shouldn't reply: if Semedo is worth 50M, then Rafinha is worth 30M.
Well, he isn't.
Supply and demand.

TOP teams are interested in Semedo (Barca, Man Utd and similar) and we are willing to pay (or to overpay) 50-60 Millions.
On the other hand, who on Earth is interested in Rafinha?
Real, Psg, Man Utd, City?
He is not good enough for top teams.
And he is not good enough for TOP and RICH teams.

He is good enough for 2nd or 3rd tier teams who don't have money and who usually buy players worth 1-10 Millions (like Celta, Valencia and similar).
So, again, Rafinha can't be worth 30 Millions since teams who are able to spend 30M for a midfielder are not interested in Rafinha (Real, Bayern, City, Liverpool).
And teams who ARE interested in him can spend 10 to 15M max.
So, a price which we can get for Rafinha is 10-15M, and NOT 30M.

The same applies for Arda and other guys.
Who on Earth will buy 30 years old out of form and declining Arda and pay his insane wages?
If we get 15M for him, that will be the biggest gift in the world.

In short: "current market" isn't inflating prices of every single player in the world, but mostly prices of players in whom top10 and 2nd tier rich European teams are interested in.