Argentina

[Maradona37]

Interesting debate before i got to bed

1. Robben is better than di maria overall.
2. There is no arguably in di maria being world class.
3. You can't get overrated due to performances in 3 titles back to back at international level, that's how we know the special players for the ones who aren't, that's a non sense line TBH.

You can't take away that he's clutch as fuck when it matters to try and bring him down.

4. benzema is better than Zlatan PERIOD, one was a flat track bully, who could never deliver at the highest level despite playing for all the biggest teams in Europe, the other one I don't need to say much, facts speak for themselves.

Oh benzema did it late, it doesn't matter, he DID IT.

Also different positions but Di Maria also better than Zlatan, because again he's not flat track bully.

Yep, agree with everything you said. Every last word.

That guy spouting bollocks about Di Maria simply being a 'good player in a good team', 'running past passes like Dembele at Real Madrid' and 'ARGUABLY being world-class' (he's definitively world-class and one of the best players of his generation, as is Benzema) is embarrassing.

As is Tempt giving the minimal credit he can possibly get away with to all the players he freely admits he dislikes as people (Messi, Di Maria, Benzema) because they are the 'rivals' of his boyfriends Lewy and Ronaldo. You just know he desperately wants to say Ronaldo is better than Messi but it would kill his credibility if he tried it. But you know it pains him every day that it isn't true. Like it pains him that Lewy is no R9. We have all seen his act on here and how he has his favourites.

 

[khaled_a_d]

2. There is no arguably in di maria being world class.
3. You can't get overrated due to performances in 3 titles back to back at international level, that's how we know the special players for the ones who aren't, that's a non sense line TBH.

This is literally how you overrate players, you look at moments rather than the whole body of their careers.
You take the highest moment of Messi career and not count it (the World Cup) and he is still the goat, you take even one of his CL and he is still the GOAT. You take the Euro or even 2 CL of Cristiano career, and he is still freakin all time great and generational player. Those are legends of the game.

You take those goals in the final from Di Maria, and he doesn't have a legacy, almost at all. He is a good starter for good teams.
He was one of the most criticized players in RM, with many fans mocking him before Ancelotti came. Real didn't hesitate to upgrade on him with Gareth Bale and he immediately took the RW spot for himself, and that was when Bale literally playing on the other side of the field before his career in Madrid. Di Maria shines as AM with them, and at that moment Real sell him and they prove that was the perfect decision.
Then he gets to failure in Manu, won't take it against him as they were dead club by then, then he goes to a lower tier league in France, and just goes to jus being a good starter here, with almost fans of other clubs getting heart attacks if their clubs were linked to him because he was never worth getting at the late 20's

And then back to the NT, Angel wasn't the star of the team, he wasn't the sidekick. He didn't play full 90 minutes in Copa 21, scored only one goal in the whole tournament, the next World Cup he played 90 minutes in the game they lost, before the final he had a grand total of 8 minutes in knockout game. Copa 2024 final is the only knockout game in those 3 tournaments that he freakin played 90 minutes or more, and even then he didn't finish the game on the field.

It is clutch moments sure, but it gave him a perception that is way bigger than his actual career. Literally the definition of being overrated

How many years could you make a case of him being top 10 players worldwide? Only 2014 seems legit. If you want yo go by ball dor, he was top 10 only twice.

The Demebele comparison was on his time in Madrid, the guy played some weird ball there many times

4. benzema is better than Zlatan PERIOD, one was a flat track bully, who could never deliver at the highest level despite playing for all the biggest teams in Europe, the other one I don't need to say much, facts speak for themselves.

Oh benzema did it late, it doesn't matter, he DID IT.

It doesn't matter to me, but it matters on the perception of fans.
Fans always overate players who had better end of their careers, even over better players who had better peak.
This is seen with Suarez for example, with many preferring Benzema or Lewa over a guy like Suarez for example, when he had a better career and prime.
If a player like Pedro, did what he did between 2009-2014 when he was in his 30's rather than early 20's, you would have seen fans calling him all time great. Now he is almost forgotten outside Culers.
Benzema reached levels Ibra didn't reach, no doubt. Ibra had a massive durability at very high level. Benzema main success is he succeeded as CL winner as main man, even if it was an all time shithoursy with massive luck

 

[Maradona37]

Lol you talk like Di Maria was a journeyman player who had a few good moments in massive games. He was also nothing like Barca Dembele at Real Madrid, stop talking nonsense.

'the guy played some weird ball there many times'

everybody plays 'weird ball' at every club. Newsflash, but Ronaldo himself has some shocking games and moments at Real Madrid. Obviously if you dislike a player (as is clearly the case with you here) your confirmation bias will lead you to look for his mistakes and clangers and ignore the much more prevalent good stuff.

He was a world-class talent with fantastic ability, who did plenty at club level to supplement his Argentina career. Trying to paint him as a normal player who had a few supernatural, big games or moments is a lie.

It's clear you just didn't take to him as a player and are now trying to look for all sorts of bollocks 'evidence' to call him 'good, but overrated.'

'If a player like Pedro, did what he did between 2009-2014 when he was in his 30's rather than early 20's, you would have seen fans calling him all time great'

What's with the shocking analogies on here? Nobody in their right mind ever thought Pedro (who much more suits your 'good player in a good team' description) was close to as talented as Di Maria. And I never thought he was a special talent even in that Barca team, as well as he played. I preferred Sanchez over Pedro in talent, never mind Di Maria over him.

You have just pulled something else out of your arse that isn't even true 'people rate players better if they do well at the end of their career' - news to me as longevity doesn't even factor high on how I rate players and R9 and Ronaldinho are two of my fave players ever despite their peaks being over well before 30. I am pretty sure this goes for many others who rate Di Maria highly too.

Where do you come up with these extravagant, bold claims?

 

[Maradona37]

'Di Maria was OG Dembele at RM, the guy used to outrun the passes that was made to him and misses it.'

How can anyone take seriously someone who commits a sentence like that to paper? It's just complete fucking bollocks from start to finish, and the second part especially is just completely pulled out of your arsehole, lol.

 

[jamrock]

This is literally how you overrate players, you look at moments rather than the whole body of their careers.
You take the highest moment of Messi career and not count it (the World Cup) and he is still the goat, you take even one of his CL and he is still the GOAT. You take the Euro or even 2 CL of Cristiano career, and he is still freakin all time great and generational player. Those are legends of the game.

You take those goals in the final from Di Maria, and he doesn't have a legacy, almost at all. He is a good starter for good teams.
He was one of the most criticized players in RM, with many fans mocking him before Ancelotti came. Real didn't hesitate to upgrade on him with Gareth Bale and he immediately took the RW spot for himself, and that was when Bale literally playing on the other side of the field before his career in Madrid. Di Maria shines as AM with them, and at that moment Real sell him and they prove that was the perfect decision.
Then he gets to failure in Manu, won't take it against him as they were dead club by then, then he goes to a lower tier league in France, and just goes to jus being a good starter here, with almost fans of other clubs getting heart attacks if their clubs were linked to him because he was never worth getting at the late 20's

And then back to the NT, Angel wasn't the star of the team, he wasn't the sidekick. He didn't play full 90 minutes in Copa 21, scored only one goal in the whole tournament, the next World Cup he played 90 minutes in the game they lost, before the final he had a grand total of 8 minutes in knockout game. Copa 2024 final is the only knockout game in those 3 tournaments that he freakin played 90 minutes or more, and even then he didn't finish the game on the field.

It is clutch moments sure, but it gave him a perception that is way bigger than his actual career. Literally the definition of being overrated

The Demebele comparison was on his time in Madrid, the guy played some weird ball there many times



It doesn't matter to me, but it matters on the perception of fans.
Fans always overate players who had better end of their careers, even over better players who had better peak.
This is seen with Suarez for example, with many preferring Benzema or Lewa over a guy like Suarez for example, when he had a better career and prime.
If a player like Pedro, did what he did between 2009-2014 when he was in his 30's rather than early 20's, you would have seen fans calling him all time great. Now he is almost forgotten outside Culers.
Benzema reached levels Ibra didn't reach, no doubt. Ibra had a massive durability at very high level. Benzema main success is he succeeded as CL winner as main man, even if it was an all time shithoursy with massive luck

Nah bro you wrote a bunch of words TBH but not saying much.

I didn't even need to read much beyond the first line, but i did.

CL final and multiple finals at international level, isn't Moments, that shows a level of consistency in delivering in high leverage games

Ain't nobody saying he's Ronaldo Or messi, if that's the names you have to use to make a point about him, tells you how good he is/was.

Scoring a bunch of goals and failing when it matters I.E Zlatan does not mean more than a player who shows up Consistently when it matters, I'm sorry it just doesn't work that way.

I don't know what madrid selling him and doing well after has to do with anything, i guess that makes Ronaldo and benzema not as good.

Players move positions all the time, of course was going to move positions to accommodate bale, he was a world record signing or close to it, di maria moved to AM and was one of madrid's best players that season.

As well as doing what he always does, show up in a high leverage moment.

Saying he didn't play games at the WC he was injured for idk what that proves, if he didn't get back for the final, Argentina ain't winning, much like they would have won vs Germany if he wasn't injured, he's just that guy for Argentina.

No one seriously says benzema is better than Suarez, they will correctly say he's better lewa, because what he did in the CL is that great while Lewa fails to deliver when it matters.

 

[Maradona37]

I mean you could maybe have sympathy for khaled's argument if this was a case of a player who was a non-entity at club level generally, but showed up internationally and played well in some big games. A Lukas Podolski type of player.

But that isn't the case here - Di Maria clearly has a very impressive body of work at club level and an impressive day-to-day consistency (as does Benzema), which he's pissing all over and lying about for some reason.

They both also have massive moments in big games, which Ibra doesn't have. Arguably the highlight of his career (in terms of what people associate with him most) is an absolutely amazing goal in an international friendly.

Trying to paint Di Maria as some run of the mill donkey who played a few bits of various international tournaments and scored some lucky goals is disingenuous as fuck. We all saw his entire career mate, we won't let you get away with it.

 

[Maradona37]

because what he did in the CL is that great while Lewa fails to deliver when it matters.

That's definitely gonna trigger Temptation - just wait til he tells you about the massive amount of group stage goals against minnows Lewy has scored.

 

[soul24rage]

World Class is defined as one of the best players in the world in your position and Di Maria is definitely one of the best wingers of his generation.

There isn't 1 big club who wouldn't want Di Maria in their team.

 

[Temptation]

Wow! Someone here just said that I don't like ADM lmao. The amount of dishonesty and lies is insane. Not surprising though.

These are the people that will play the victim card and cry when you hit back.

Anyone here who has followed my posts long enough knows my thoughts on Di Maria.

World Class is defined as one of the best players in the world in your position and Di Maria is definitely one of the best wingers of his generation.

There isn't 1 big club who wouldn't want Di Maria in their team.

He's world class and underrated but Robben is better.

 

[Temptation]

You are the one who is telling people what is their opinion worth, not me. So, get a grip rather than acting as an asshole and hating to be spoken at, the same way you literally did minutes earlier. Especially when half of your arguments is about "my opinion is worth more than yours, I don't believe in numbers so you can't prove me wrong"

Man, you are projecting what you literally do on others, It is hilarious.

Hahaha tell me about it!


This forum will support a certified lunatic with zero self awareness as long as he parrots a few of their Football opinions.


These lunatics will lie about you, break every rule the forum has but cry victim the second you try to debate and make your point in a civil manner.


Remember you'll always be the one expected to be the bigger man, feel pity and tolerate this nonsense. Otherwise you're the bad human being. The irony!

 

[Messigician]

Hahaha tell me about it!


This forum will support a certified lunatic with zero self awareness as long as he parrots a few of their Football opinions.

An Ironic observation, as you did the same, when you wrote a post praising Mara for his posts until you switched up when he started attacking Lewa.

Pot kettle black?

 

[Temptation]

An Ironic observation, as you did the same, when you wrote a post praising Mara for his posts until you switched up when he started attacking Lewa.

Pot kettle black?

Nah. Birdy dislikes Lewy and is one of my favourite posters. Nothing to do with Lewy.

 

[Messigician]

Nah. Birdy dislikes Lewy and is one of my favourite posters. Nothing to do with Lewy.

Why did you switch up on him then

 

[Temptation]

Why did you switch up on him then

Khaled summed it up pretty well.........

 

[Rassvet]

Di Maria isn't better than Robben. Take the emotions and feelings out of this and compare the 2.


Robben was absolutely unplayable and scary in his prime. Anyone who has watched him play knows how devastating he was.


ADM's club career is relatively underwhelming outside the Madrid stint which didn't last very long. Failed in the Premier League too which people conveniently forget.


Great player and definitely one of the most underrated but wingers like Robben, Bale, Salah, Hazard were simply better footballers overall.


Di Maria is an amazing sidekick but you never build your team around him because he isn't consistent or dominant enough. Argentina had Batman. ADM was the perfect Robin.

Spot on as usual

Di Maria was brilliant on his day and had a top international career with a lot of big moments, but was also inconsistent and unimpressive for much of his club career. Apart from his last season at Madrid, he probably never had a season where he was a top 15-20 player itw.

Their styles are completely different and Di Maria is better, but his career is a bit similar to Muller. Both delivered in a lot of big CL and international games. Neither was world class on a consistent basis or had main man energy though.