Arsenal

[Ode to Django]

What about Jeremy Toulalan that old silver fox

& Kondogbia the beast, stick that with Moutinho, pretty solid & balanced. Arsenal as always too offensive

 

[Jair Ventura]

What does their age have to do with anything?

I'm not sure what this question has to do with anything tbh. I was establishing the quality of Monaco's side, which apparently semi was unaware of.

 

[KingMessi]

Monaco's one fluky quarterfinal is better than 5 round of 16s?! What?



Who? The only players that could even argue a place are Moutinho (worse than Cazorla and Ozil) their CM whose name starts with an A that I can't remember (closest one, he played well but I still don't think he would start) and their CBs (looked impressive when the ball was in the air, but on the ground Mertesacker and Koscielny are much better).

WTF.

Arsenal got knocked out. Deservedly so. Better luck next year. Deal with it.

 

[Darko]

You guys are being a bit biased here, imagine if we lost to City today, they scored a penalty and then a fluke 2nd and won in the shootout. Would that mean City is the better team?
Literally the same situation with Arsenal and Monaco, Arsenal had 10+ chances over the 2 legs and Monace had about 3, scored from a lucky deflection and 2 counters after some naive defending by Arsenal(Mertesacker+Wenger high line+Arsenal pushing for the equalizer), while Giroud single handedly missed more chances than Monaco had in both games.

 

[Jair Ventura]

You guys are being a bit biased here, imagine if we lost to City today, they scored a penalty and then a fluke 2nd and won in the shootout. Would that mean City is the better team?
Literally the same situation with Arsenal and Monaco, Arsenal had 10+ chances over the 2 legs and Monace had about 3, scored from a lucky deflection and 2 counters after some naive defending by Arsenal(Mertesacker+Wenger high line+Arsenal pushing for the equalizer), while Giroud single handedly missed more chances than Monaco had in both games.

Monaco didn't score a penalty nor win a shootout, so it isn't the same situation literally or figuratively. Further, Arsenal doesn't have the successive history of Barca, they have a history of mediocrity. Them pretending to be better than a club that just ousted them, that has made it further than they have in the UCL in nearly 5+ years is a bit hilarious imo.

Is Paris a superior club to Chelsea because they created more many chances over two legs?

 

[Ketoth]

The word here is 'knee-jerk'. Making such big conclusions after one or two games.

 

[KingMessi]

You guys are being a bit biased here, imagine if we lost to City today, they scored a penalty and then a fluke 2nd and won in the shootout. Would that mean City is the better team?
Literally the same situation with Arsenal and Monaco, Arsenal had 10+ chances over the 2 legs and Monace had about 3, scored from a lucky deflection and 2 counters after some naive defending by Arsenal(Mertesacker+Wenger high line+Arsenal pushing for the equalizer), while Giroud single handedly missed more chances than Monaco had in both games.

If we kept missing like we did today, and City won 2-0, then yes, we would have deserved to go out.

 

[KingMessi]

The word here is 'knee-jerk'. Making such big conclusions after one or two games.

The point is that Arsenal are out (I would have preferred them going through than Monaco). And we can't do anything to fix that right now. All Arsenal and Wenger can do is fix their mistakes and hope to show the world what they can really do next season. That's all. There's no point in lamenting over Giroud's missed chances right now or how Monaco got lucky. What is done is done, and cannot be changed.

 

[Jenks]

I'm not sure what this question has to do with anything tbh. I was establishing the quality of Monaco's side, which apparently semi was unaware of.

The point of contention was that Monaco are better or have better players, the age of those players, their potential, and what they have done in their youth is completely irrelevant. You weren't establishing the quality of the Monaco side, just the quality of some of their players "in their age group".

 

[barca1899]

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/mar/18/arsene-wenger-arsenal-europa-league

Specialist in failure

 

[Darko]

Monaco didn't score a penalty nor win a shootout, so it isn't the same situation literally or figuratively. Further, Arsenal doesn't have the successive history of Barca, they have a history of mediocrity. Them pretending to be better than a club that just ousted them, that has made it further than they have in the UCL in nearly 5+ years is a bit hilarious imo.

Is Paris a superior club to Chelsea because they created more many chances over two legs?

I'm talking about the better team, not the better club, if Arsenal played Monaco a thousand times, most of the wins would be on Arsenal's side, Arsenal was the favourite going into the tie and rightfully so. They are the better team, they play better football and have better players.
And yeah, they didn't need a shootout but they went trough on away goals, they didn't score a penalty but they scored an even more ridiculous goal in Kondogbia's deflected shot, so I'd say it's a pretty similar situation.

 

[DrPepper]

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/mar/18/arsene-wenger-arsenal-europa-league

Specialist in failure

That's embarassing. Truly a specialist in failure.

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/mar/19/arsene-wenger-away-goals-scrapped-champions-league

Also a sore loser. Of course he's against the away goals rule when his team constantly gets knocked out because of it.

 

[TornAndFrayed]

And as Wenger well knows, stats support the away rule in every way.

 

[Jair Ventura]

I'm talking about the better team, not the better club, if Arsenal played Monaco a thousand times, most of the wins would be on Arsenal's side, Arsenal was the favourite going into the tie and rightfully so. They are the better team, they play better football and have better players.
And yeah, they didn't need a shootout but they went trough on away goals, they didn't score a penalty but they scored an even more ridiculous goal in Kondogbia's deflected shot, so I'd say it's a pretty similar situation.

What makes Arsenal the better team? What makes their football better or their players outside of Alexis Sanchez?

 

[Ketoth]

Our players are better because of their value, their statistical ratings, reviews. Our football is beautiful because it's what people say about it, fans and non fans alike.

We have the 5th largest fanbase in all of football, and the 4th highest value. We consistently make the champions league. So much so that it'd be weird to see a group stage without Arsenal in it. Lots of clubs everywhere love playing against us, it attracts big crowds and a big spectacle.