TornAndFrayed
Banned
Dude I could write a page about what lucho did wrong in 6 months
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Alik
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Then I guess Klopp failing to get Dortmund to qualify for CL last season and Mourinho dropping to near relegation means they are below average managers.
Jair Ventura
New member
Those two have actually won something recently. On the other hand, Wenger's been riding the wave of Arsenal's 03-04 season for over a decade domestically while failing to push his club past the round of 16 of the UCL in over 5 years. Therefore I have to agree with those thats say he's neither average nor top class, somewhere in between. He'll keep you in contention for European qualification, but he isn't one to manufacture a dominant European side.
That said, I'm interested in seeing how Arsenal goes once he's gone. Will they be able to attract a top manager to elevate them to a higher status, or will they fall away as United and Liverpool have?
Darko
New member
Be my guest, I'm always up for a good debate.
And talking about Arsenal on a Barca forum is not quite the same as talking about Barca, you're bound to have more knowledge and therefore more critique about the latter.
Horatio
You're welcome
I guess taking 6 months to write one page is a testament to how hard it is to find mistakes in Lucho's career so far.
TornAndFrayed
Banned
Since you're not serious i applaud the deviousness
It wouldn't be a good debate. Many of lucho's mistakes in his first season are obvious and shared by nearly all. It's just not that interesting to discuss.
I'm not a lucho hater, as a matter of fact i can say i barely hated on him when most here were, but they had their reasons. People don't like nuance too much so once in a while some claim that lucho has been perfect all along and people here respond to that. Anyway.
I don't share your sentiments on arsenal. Seems to me that you have taken 4th place and CL KOs for granted and now lament the fact that it has hardly ever been better than this. In this case jamdavs' arguments are pretty much mine.
Also, there's a lot of bad semantics involved. Like saying Wenger is a great scout and a great developer but not a great coach.
Those things are part of a whole. Wenger is a top coach because he is absolutely amazing at giving youth talents their chance and mould them into able players. He is certainly not a top coach because of his masterful tactics or willingness to buy expensive players to make arsenal a finished product which it hasn't been for about a decade.
Now, Wenger managing a great and balanced team like bayern or barca ? Yea, he'd be a misfit.
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raskolnikov
Well-known member
Oh no, not their player who smokes as much as Matthieu and as good as prime Xavi and Iniesta combined.
Blaugrana Bull
HiiiPoWeR
How did they manage to get in 4th place so quick? This team man.
Jenks
Senior Member
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Probably shouldn't laugh, but I don't give a fuck.
The guy with better ball control than Iniesta according to Arsenal fans.
Seems it might just be a made up Twitter rumour. The papers haven't really gone with it.
Ghostmaster
Danger Ahead
Arsenal looked poor against Southampton, they are moving so slowly, Alexis and Ozil are the only ones who create something and Gabriel was giving amazing passes to opposition attackers, if they play like that against us, they will get destroyed in the first match.
diegomessi
Anxiously waiting for the next match
Seems they are peaking just in time to play us......
Darko
New member
Lucho had an idea from the start, and it was a right one, switch the focus of our team from midfield to attack, make us more solid defensively and better on the counter, and you could see we were adapting the first half of the season, becoming more solid, but getting some lucky slim wins in games like the ones against Villarreal. He made some minor mistakes like playing Suarez on the right and benching Messi, but you can't compare that with Wenger's mistakes of not buying a DM and a quality striker for 10 years, never changing his tactics even when playing against better teams (therefore his abysmal record in big games), playing Mertesacker in a high line...
These are rookie mistakes that you can't really make excuses for.
Yes, being a scout and developing youth is part of being a great coach, but a coach's job is to win trophies. And Wenger hasn't been doing that for years now.
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