therealkingleo
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You need atleast one midfielder who has that abilities. Sometimes this makes the difference, especially in CL.
Arturo Vidal
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You need atleast one midfielder who has that abilities. Sometimes this makes the difference, especially in CL.
vlad
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Whats use of better technical player instead of vidal when he will get bullied in.CL by teams like atletico, juve, roma... and then be non existent on the pitch
serghei
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He will be on the bench soon as Arthur is almost back. Valverde is incapable of rotating wisely.
If a player cant perform against physical players, thats not a good technical player. To argue that we just need some donkeys on the pitch and things will go better for us is a bit naive.
serghei
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Thing with Vidal is that he is technical too. He can pass and score goals, on top of being a physical beast. Man started under Guardiola at Bayern. No player who is not up to par technically starts under Pep.
Being a starter for Guardiola is pretty much every proof we need to see that he can hold his own in multiple scenarios. Very well rounded player imo and should be as much of a starter as anyone in midfield.
In almost every game Vidal played he was among the best on the pitch. That says a lot. Doesn't need any adaptation period because the man has a warrior mentality and that is needed everywhere, at every team. Needed that in the team.
Much superior player to Paulinho.
Being a starter for Guardiola is pretty much every proof we need to see that he can hold his own in multiple scenarios. Very well rounded player imo and should be as much of a starter as anyone in midfield.
In almost every game Vidal played he was among the best on the pitch. That says a lot. Doesn't need any adaptation period because the man has a warrior mentality and that is needed everywhere, at every team. Needed that in the team.
Much superior player to Paulinho.
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He's definitely weaker and slower than he was a few years ago, but he offers something different even though he lacks composure and awareness of his surroundings, so he can be useful.
serghei
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He declined a bit physically, sure, but the simple fact that motivation and mentality is still running at high level makes him a beast. He's 31. Fernandinho starts at City still at 33. Players who have this sort of dedication for their profession can play until 33-34 for sure, while other players who are more lazy and unprofessional are barely any good as soon as they hit 30. The mental weardown in players like Vidal is minimal at this age, because the man just has a naturally competitive spirit that is hard to break just by aging. Many times the players just lose it mentally before their body breaks down.
We have many examples of 33-34 year old players who were instrumental in big teams because they had a great mentality and fighting spirit.
Vidal can give us 2-3 seasons of hard work and sweat, backing from no tackle or duel in that process. Pretty much a top signing from us for what we paid. He'd walk straight into the Bayern team he left too btw.
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jamrock
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Everyone & their mothet should have known or did know Vidal was going to be a star here, prehaps not got 3/4 years but a good 2 easy.
You don't become a crap player at 31.
After years of sighing shit, the board has signed a few good players, it's just up to our manager to figure out how to get them all on the pitch in the most balanced way possible, but we don't have that type of coach on out bench.
You don't see pep, high standard I know, saying how we can't win the prem with a mifield of KDB & silva, or sarri saying how we can't play kante & jourinho & the list goes on.
As cryuff said you always try to get your best XI on the pitch, as often as possible.
Our best XI right now includes, Vidal, coutinho, dembele,messi, suarez.
I guarantee you any other coach would figure how a effective way to have them all on the pitch.
Do you think if coutinho was still at Liverpool klopp wouldn't start with that front three they have.
Vidal should have been starting & needs to start most games, same goes for coutinho & dembele.
You don't become a crap player at 31.
After years of sighing shit, the board has signed a few good players, it's just up to our manager to figure out how to get them all on the pitch in the most balanced way possible, but we don't have that type of coach on out bench.
You don't see pep, high standard I know, saying how we can't win the prem with a mifield of KDB & silva, or sarri saying how we can't play kante & jourinho & the list goes on.
As cryuff said you always try to get your best XI on the pitch, as often as possible.
Our best XI right now includes, Vidal, coutinho, dembele,messi, suarez.
I guarantee you any other coach would figure how a effective way to have them all on the pitch.
Do you think if coutinho was still at Liverpool klopp wouldn't start with that front three they have.
Vidal should have been starting & needs to start most games, same goes for coutinho & dembele.
soul24rage
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as he really wants to win the CL, whatever physical decline he has, I think he'll make up for that with his huge determination and fight to the end mentality in the CL.
serghei
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Klopp did start Coutinho when they had Mane, Firmino, Salah up front. Brendan Rogers did so when they had Suarez Sturridge and Sterling up top as well. Coutinho played AM in a 4-3-3 many times at Liverpool under 2 managers, partnered with two lucrative physical midfielders next to him (Gerrard, Henderson, Milner).
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That's the exception. Its far, far too early to say that Vidal has a professional mentality so he'll play at a high level for us until he's 34. By that logic, Suarez should play for us until 34 as well. We'll have to take a few months at a time.
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jamrock
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Yep because talent speaks for itself, when you have players that are so clearly differently talented, you find a way to intergrate them In the same XI.
That wont happen with a defense first type manager though.
I am sure a 4-2-3-1 which is basically a 4-4-2 we played last season, just with players who can actually play football, I know that system could work, we simply have to find a system that accounts for Messi, being more of a true 10 now/second striker.
It's really just on the manager to coach his player. To have dembele & coutinho drop back to take pleasure in closing down spaces & dropping back.
Look at the smile, city & Liverpool attacking players have on there faces when they close down space, when they get back into the defensive 3rd.
You have to motivate them & have them believe in a much bigger thing, than just give them a Valverde, which I am sure is him just saying, hey you need to drop back guys okay. Smh
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