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I think everyone deep in their hearts feel Busi is better than CR
Ballon d'Or 2011
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I think everyone deep in their hearts feel Busi is better than CR
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barcelonista
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Most of them in dead rubber games when it wouldn't matter a single bit if he scored or not. For example: he scored only 2 goals in the CL knockout stages and one of them 2 goals was the fourth in the 4-0 win over 10 men Spurs. Did his goal make the difference there? Had it any importance? Not a bit. In the CL Benzema, Özil and Xabi Alonso have been a lot more vital for Real Madrid. Benzema scoring the first and only away goal in the first leg against Lyon (Real's nemesis all these years) gave them a huge advantage and deserves a lot more credit than Ronaldo's 11 (completely useless) goals in his last 4 league appearances, trashing Almeria 8-1, when Barcelona was already celebrating the title. Add 8 penalties, sorry, I ment PENALDOS to that and you have 19 (half of Cristiano's La Liga goals) comming from either the penalty (penaldo) spot or after Barcelona already won La Liga.
Many Messi goals on the other hand have been absolutely vital. His goals in the knockout stages carried us to the finals of the CL and ultimately won it for us. 1 assist and 2 goals against Arsenal in the round of 16. 2 away goals in the semi-final against Real Madrid, including a Maradona-esque run. A goal in the final against Manchester United and an epic dribbling setting the 3th goal up. That's what you call a "big game player" and those goals should surely be much higher-rated than Ronaldo's 11 goals in the last 4 games when the title was already lost for them.
People only looking at the stats is a sad thing. Let's assume a player scoring 60 La Liga goals. But all of them being the 5th or 6th in 5-0 and 6-0 trashings of weak oppositions and almost no contribution against the bigger teams. A bit of an exaggeration but that pretty much sums Ronaldo up. See this table of the all time topscorers in the Champions League? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europe...ons_League_records_and_statistics#Goalscoring Notice something? Ronaldo has the second lowest goal ratio from all the players in the top 10. While Messi has the second HIGHEST goal ratio of all the players in the top 10. Add Messi's 20 goals + assists against Real Madrid vs. Ronaldo's 3 goals + assists vs. Barcelona to that list and you'll understand why it drives barcelonistas crazy if people call that flat-track bully the second best player in the world. Eto'o carried Inter last season more than Ronaldo carried Real Madrid. Does anyone really see Real Madrid doing worse than reaching the semi-final of the CL and becomming second in La Liga if they sold Ronaldo and played with Higuain and Benzema upfront instead? And does anyone believe Barcelona could be the force they are right now, totally dominating teams, being regardes as the best club team in football history, without one of either Messi, Iniesta or Xavi? Then you have your answer why Ronaldo shouldn't be anywhere near the top 3 list and some people even rate Busquets higher than him.
Fun fact for statistic fetishists, to show how absurd statistics can sometimes be. Mario Gomez scored 53 goals from the start of last season until today. As a comparison: Ronaldo scored 65 in the same time. Considering Gomez plays in a much weaker side (Bayern were a mess last season, finished only 3th in Bundesliga) and considering Gomez played less minutes than Ronaldo (Bundesliga has 34 matchdays, not 38 and Bayern were also kicked out early in the round of 16 in the Champions League), Gomez' statistics are VERY, VERY, VERY impressive, comming close to Ronaldo's and Messi's. In fact, far far better than Eto'o's, Rooney's or Agüero's. Is he now the undisbuted 3th best striker in the world? The German bench warmer for 33 year old Klose?
/rant over
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barcelonista
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Now people are laughing about it. Wait 3 more years until he moves higher up the pitch, becomming the "new Xavi", playing more attack-minded final throughballs. Playing a more flashy style will probably benefit him in terms of recognition. It's unreal how underrated Busquets still is. During the Fabregas saga people were even suggesting he'd be benched for Fabregas. KINNEL! In the CL final against Manchester United he made one of the best performances I've ever seen from someone in his position. Every single one of our attacks were initiated from Busquets at the back and he was basically EVERYWHERE. Where did he suddenly come from to win the ball back in Manchester United's own box and assist Villa? His job as a defensive midfielder should be to stop Rooney. Rooney as a striker ended up looking like he tried to stop Busquets.
This kind of players get almost no plaudits, although they are the backbones of their teams and usualy possess the highest football IQs. Makelele, Deschamps etc. "Better than Ronaldo"? Well, hard to compare a DM and a striker / winger. But surely not less vital for his team. Guardiola: "First name on the team sheet? Busquets." And del Bosque: "I'd want to be a player like Busquets" tells you everything people need to know about Mr. Biscuits.
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Worms
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I prefer watching Busquets to fake Ronaldo.
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barcelonista
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Bilal Khan
Tito > Mou
lol at this thread, so much bullshit!
Bergkamp10
New member
Pelé thinks Neymar should win the Ballon d'Or :"Messi isn't a complete player. Neymar is the year's best."
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Metaphysical
Bomb Dropper
hey Alex, did you catch Cesc saying he was injured loads last season so has no idea why he's on the shortlist?
what a fucking legend.
what a fucking legend.
Manuel Traquete
New member
Well, it's common sense, isn't it? It's frankly a disgrace that players like Puyol and Cesc who barely played (namely Puyol) are on the list, while the outstanding Busquets isn't. People's irrational hate of Busquets has clearly got in the way again.
That said, it was very humble of Cesc to admit that. Hopefully he'll become worthy of a top 3 (or even better) spot during his Barca career, he definitely has the ability to get there.
Bergkamp10
New member
he'll prove why he was on the list this year.
ViscaBarca914
BLASPHEMY!
Where would most of you put Mario Gomez on your list? Considering he scored something like 45 goals in 49 games I think? And is like 17 and 16 this season as well.
Manuel Traquete
New member
Top 10 surely, he has unstoppable in 2011. The only forward players I'd rank ahead of him this year are Messi obviously and Cristiano.
If the Ballon d'Or is really about performance during the calendar year, Gomez must be 5-10 surely.
Myrmecophile
Mr. Japes
It's not purely about performance though. It's not purely about any one thing. I don't think Gomez achieved enough with his team in 2011 to be top 10. He could be top 20-25 though.
La Furia
Legion of Doooom
Wow, credit to Cesc for being so classy. Probably the second biggest highlight of his career after a fluke assist in the WC final.
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