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Guaporta

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Lemar IS an attacking midfielder. Just like Iniesta did, he frequently plays out wide because Monaco play two in the middle. Whenever Monaco play a three man midfield, Lemar usually plays the attacking midfield role in the middle. Lots of clubs dont play the same way we do. You have to actually watch the players you talk about to judge how they play you know. Just because Deco and Yaya played different roles before they joined us, doesnt mean they were flops.

No, we dont call our defensive midfield "central midfield". Defensive midfield is defensive midfield.

That's just not true. Check this link (http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/thom...16&verein=&liga=&wettbewerb=&pos=&trainer_id=) with all the positions Thomas Lemar played in. He played all his games for Monaco as a left winger, except for one where he played as a right winger. It's true he played eight games last season as an attacking midfielder, however; that's 8/70 games he played in. So why on earth would we sign him to play as an attacking midfielder, a role he hasn't played in for more than 18 months?

It's true that we did sign players in the past that were succesfull in a different role than they played in at their previous club. Yaya Touré is an example of that. But why would we sign a winger to play as a central midfielder (with more defensive duties en should dictate the build up play since that's what we need)? He's just not right for the position we should strengthen. So I would look at other players for our midfield.

And we seem to disagree on more players, since I don't think that Fabinho or Keita is suited to play in the role of 'central midfield'. They're more defensive midfielders in my opinion.
 

Jombi

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That's just not true. Check this link (http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/thom...16&verein=&liga=&wettbewerb=&pos=&trainer_id=) with all the positions Thomas Lemar played in. He played all his games for Monaco as a left winger, except for one where he played as a right winger. It's true he played eight games last season as an attacking midfielder, however; that's 8/70 games he played in. So why on earth would we sign him to play as an attacking midfielder, a role he hasn't played in for more than 18 months?

It's true that we did sign players in the past that were succesfull in a different role than they played in at their previous club. Yaya Touré is an example of that. But why would we sign a winger to play as a central midfielder (with more defensive duties en should dictate the build up play since that's what we need)? He's just not right for the position we should strengthen. So I would look at other players for our midfield.

And we seem to disagree on more players, since I don't think that Fabinho or Keita is suited to play in the role of 'central midfield'. They're more defensive midfielders in my opinion.

He is not a winger, he is an attacking midfielder in a 4-4-2 where he drifts inwards. His style is very similar to Iniesta and would be perfect as Iniesta's replacement. I gave you the reason why he plays that role for Monaco this season, because they play two men in the middle and that forces Lemar to play on the side. Iniesta would play the same role in a 4-4-2 as well. In a three man midfield he plays as the attacking midfielder in the middle, but Monaco doesnt play that this season. You should watch him play more before you voice your opinion.

You seem to disagree with yourself. First you were open to Fabinho as our midfield signing and mentioned him on the previous page, and now you say you dont want him. Make up your mind. Both Fabinho and Naby Keita play central midfield. In fact, I'd love to see us sign all of Lemar, Fabinho and Keita. Much better than chasing Verratti and Thiago and ending up with Cazorla.
 
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DonAK

President of FC Barcelona
He is not a winger, he is an attacking midfielder in a 4-4-2 where he drifts inwards. His style is very similar to Iniesta and would be perfect as Iniesta's replacement. I gave you the reason why he plays that role for Monaco this season, because they play two men in the middle and that forces Lemar to play on the side. Iniesta would play the same role in a 4-4-2 as well. In a three man midfield he plays as the attacking midfielder in the middle, but Monaco doesnt play that this season. You should watch him play more before you voice your opinion.

You seem to disagree with yourself. First you were open to Fabinho as our midfield signing and mentioned him on the previous page, and now you say you dont want him. Make up your mind. Both Fabinho and Naby Keita play central midfield. In fact, I'd love to see us sign all of Lemar, Fabinho and Keita. Much better than chasing Verratti and Thiago and ending up with Cazorla.

Pretty much yeah.

Although as of now I prefer Bernardo Silva. I think Lemar's best interest is in staying at Monaco for another year or two. Bernardo Silva is already read to make the big move up the ladder.
 

Guaporta

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He is not a winger, he is an attacking midfielder in a 4-4-2 where he drifts inwards. His style is very similar to Iniesta and would be perfect as Iniesta's replacement. I gave you the reason why he plays that role for Monaco this season, because they play two men in the middle and that forces Lemar to play on the side. Iniesta would play the same role in a 4-4-2 as well. In a three man midfield he plays as the attacking midfielder in the middle, but Monaco doesnt play that this season. You should watch him play more before you voice your opinion.

You seem to disagree with yourself. First you were open to Fabinho as our midfield signing and mentioned him on the previous page, and now you say you dont want him. Make up your mind. Both Fabinho and Naby Keita play central midfield. In fact, I'd love to see us sign all of Lemar, Fabinho and Keita. Much better than chasing Verratti and Thiago and ending up with Cazorla.

You can ‘explain’ all you want, but the fact that ‘Iniesta would play the same role in a 4-4-2’ does not mean that it would work vice versa (Lemar as a central midfielder in a 4-3-3). Let’s take Arda Turan as an example, after all: he played as a ‘winger’ in a 4-4-2 at Atletico before he joined Barcelona. Did he work out as a central midfielder in Camp Nou? Hell no! He lacks the basic skills and ball circulation to be successful here. And I have been watching Monaco several times this season (and last season) and they have been playing 4-2-3-1 with Lemar mostly on the left wing (and eight times as a centre attacking midfielder), a completely different role than you’re making it up to be. So yes, he has played as an attacking midfielder (only eight times of the last seventy games!!!) and that doesn’t make him suited to play on our midfield in Iniesta’s role.

Now about Fabinho, I see him as an option that could fit two positions in our system: CDM and RB. That way we could use Sergi Roberto and Samper as centre midfielders and invest the money we save in a proper winger. But if you read any further, you could have read that I don’t see Fabinho in het central midfield-role. I guess you didn’t… ��
 

Jombi

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You can ‘explain’ all you want, but the fact that ‘Iniesta would play the same role in a 4-4-2’ does not mean that it would work vice versa (Lemar as a central midfielder in a 4-3-3). Let’s take Arda Turan as an example, after all: he played as a ‘winger’ in a 4-4-2 at Atletico before he joined Barcelona. Did he work out as a central midfielder in Camp Nou? Hell no! He lacks the basic skills and ball circulation to be successful here. And I have been watching Monaco several times this season (and last season) and they have been playing 4-2-3-1 with Lemar mostly on the left wing (and eight times as a centre attacking midfielder), a completely different role than you’re making it up to be. So yes, he has played as an attacking midfielder (only eight times of the last seventy games!!!) and that doesn’t make him suited to play on our midfield in Iniesta’s role.

Now about Fabinho, I see him as an option that could fit two positions in our system: CDM and RB. That way we could use Sergi Roberto and Samper as centre midfielders and invest the money we save in a proper winger. But if you read any further, you could have read that I don’t see Fabinho in het central midfield-role. I guess you didn’t… ��

Lemar most definitely doesnt lack basic skills and ball circulation to be successful in Iniesta's position. I doubt you've seen Monaco at all the way you talk.

OK, good luck with Samper and Roberto as our new Xavi.
 

khaled_a_d

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I hate the idea of us chasing Verratti and Thiago all summer and ending up with Santi Cazorla or some other Arsenal player.

We haven't even been seriously linked to this players may be ever (except few MD,Sport headline every couple of months about Verratti and even those decreasing)
Roberto has also more interest in players from smaller clubs rather than Arsenal type of player


He is not a winger, he is an attacking midfielder in a 4-4-2 where he drifts inwards. His style is very similar to Iniesta and would be perfect as Iniesta's replacement. I gave you the reason why he plays that role for Monaco this season, because they play two men in the middle and that forces Lemar to play on the side. Iniesta would play the same role in a 4-4-2 as well. In a three man midfield he plays as the attacking midfielder in the middle, but Monaco doesnt play that this season. You should watch him play more before you voice your opinion.

You seem to disagree with yourself. First you were open to Fabinho as our midfield signing and mentioned him on the previous page, and now you say you dont want him. Make up your mind. Both Fabinho and Naby Keita play central midfield. In fact, I'd love to see us sign all of Lemar, Fabinho and Keita. Much better than chasing Verratti and Thiago and ending up with Cazorla.

I didn't watch Monaco but your description to his role reminds me of Arda with Atletico in a scary way tbh and it kind make Guaporta point valid. but may be b/c I don't watch him. Hope that I had the time this season to watch Monaco to judge myself,most of their squad are followed by European elites

2) Playmaker/DM/CM in midfield, depending on where do we see Messi in the future. If we move him back to the right once (or if) we sign a great RB we need a playmaker in midfield, or an extremely well rounded player who could be very good in several areas of the game, including on the ball and passing qualities. Or, if we see Messi as an attacking midfielder a la Totti from now on, we need a more defensive player imo. A player who could form a partnership with Busquets and could allow Messi a midfield position even with his almost non existend defensive participation. Messi would be the 10, so, the player we should sign needs to be both a 6 and an 8 (but more on the defensive side), allowing us to switch from a 2-1 (Busi + new player - Messi on top) midfield, to a 1-2 midfield when we need to.

So, right back, and a certain type of midfielder depending on Messi's future role.

For a while I've been saying that deciding Messi position should be the top priority to decide the transfer target and the way we play.
With that I am not sure if Messi moved to AM we should go for a midfielder,I would say a true winger on the right side or a play making winger (the way Jombi described Lemar but probably B.Silva would fit more) who can support the right side more and make the 2 midfielders role less of covering sides and more of covering Messi and controlling position. Gomes & Roberto might actually fit in that midfield role,I mean we would probably be able to do an upgrade but in such case a RW & RB would cost a lot so might save the money for those position
And I suspect we might need a CB,Mathieu should move on and won't be surprised if Mascherano wanted to leave to be starter somewhere else before his last World Cup
 
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Jombi

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We haven't even been seriously linked to this players may be ever (except few MD,Sport headline every couple of months about Verratti and even those decreasing)
Roberto has also more interest in players from smaller clubs rather than Arsenal type of player


I didn't watch Monaco but your description to his role reminds me of Arda with Atletico in a scary way tbh and it kind make Guaporta point valid.Cup

I am talking about what people in here want to see. The obsession with pipe dreams like Verratti and Thiago are absurd. And we'll end up with Cazorla in the end.

Regarding Lemar, its a logical fallacy to use a totally different player like Arda as any example of anything. Thats similar to the logic of not buying certain nationalities because player with nationality X failed last time. Its like saying we shouldnt buy central midfielders, because Gomes flopped as well. Or we shouldnt buy player with age X because that failed last time. I never wanted Arda. I never wanted Gomes. These are average players with average skill sets.

Edit: Just found this article; since you havent watched him, its a good description of Thomas Lemar: http://www.espnfc.us/blog/espn-fc-u...-lemar-looking-to-emulate-idol-andres-iniesta

Lemar's role model has always been Andres Iniesta, and it shows. While his dribbling skills are superb, he is not obsessed with taking on defenders, but rather puts emphasis on team play. Like the Barcelona genius, Lemar is able to create space for himself and his teammates, and seems to have more time on the ball than other midfielders. Indeed, he is more responsible than anyone for the Monaco's eye-pleasing fluid style.

"I am trying to avoid duels and concentrate on passing and movement as much as possible," Lemar told BeIN Sports.

Moving across the pitch is natural for Lemar. He is versatile, able to perform on both flanks and in the middle, and thrives in a free role. Naturally left-footed, he is very decent with his right foot too, which makes him even more difficult to mark. His range of passing is phenomenal, he likes to shoot from distance and few players in France are more dangerous from free kicks.
 
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JamDav1982

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I am talking about what people in here want to see. The obsession with pipe dreams like Verratti and Thiago are absurd. And we'll end up with Cazorla in the end.

Regarding Lemar, its a logical fallacy to use a totally different player like Arda as any example of anything. Thats similar to the logic of not buying certain nationalities because player with nationality X failed last time. Its like saying we shouldnt buy central midfielders, because Gomes flopped as well. Or we shouldnt buy player with age X because that failed last time. I never wanted Arda. I never wanted Gomes. These are average players with average skill sets.

Edit: Just found this article; since you havent watched him, its a good description of Thomas Lemar: http://www.espnfc.us/blog/espn-fc-u...-lemar-looking-to-emulate-idol-andres-iniesta

Your problem was not with the Arda skill set. Can remember at the time you argued he was a decent/good squad player and issue being the price.

Anyone can bring up players they did and didnt want and everyone gets some wrong. It doesnt make you more able to identify the skill set required compared to others.
 

Barcilliant

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If Monaco beat City in CL all their youngsters will cost an arm and a leg,

We don't have this kind of money.

Our first priority is a NEW MANAGER!

Pick someone who is competent and knows what he's doing.

Messi's position is crucial because the team still has to be built around him.

Lemar is a fantastic player but there's no guarantee he will succeed here. Plus you'd be paying at least 60 million minimum.

A good manager will see the weaknesses, address them and utilise our strengths better.

I think Sampaoli will be here next season and it would be pretty interesting to see who he buys and who he sells.
 

Co0ter

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Squad is fine except for 2 positions.

1) Rightback. Essential.

2) Playmaker/DM/CM in midfield, depending on where do we see Messi in the future. If we move him back to the right once (or if) we sign a great RB we need a playmaker in midfield, or an extremely well rounded player who could be very good in several areas of the game, including on the ball and passing qualities. Or, if we see Messi as an attacking midfielder a la Totti from now on, we need a more defensive player imo. A player who could form a partnership with Busquets and could allow Messi a midfield position even with his almost non existend defensive participation. Messi would be the 10, so, the player we should sign needs to be both a 6 and an 8 (but more on the defensive side), allowing us to switch from a 2-1 (Busi + new player - Messi on top) midfield, to a 1-2 midfield when we need to.

So, right back, and a certain type of midfielder depending on Messi's future role.

And a new manager, one who plays more fluid football, and is not as restrictive regarding players' movements in positional play. Basically, when one player has to ball, I want to see his teammates doing something to allow themselves to be in a position to receive a pass. That means moving around and not being confined in a restricted space to operate in. The more restricted the space you're allowed to move in is, the easier it is for the opponent to stop you from receiving the ball in dangerous positions. If you are not allowed to leave your zone and look for the ball, it's hell of a lot easier for opponents to mark you, or close down passing lanes to you. They just have to position themselves cleverly and it becomes increasingly hard for us have a good forward pogression when in possession. All of this because Lucho has a very rigid understanding of positional play.

And it's not that you can't actually play a more rigid system. You can, if you have the right players for it. But we don't. And not only that we don't, but we are even experimenting with solutions like Roberto at RB, while playing a type of rigid football in which one of the inevitable outcomes is the isolation of players in their respective positions both on and off the ball.

Sure, players can play in a system in which they have to cover their zones and do their jobs in a more individual way (due to the incresed spaces between players, everything you do wrong, has the potential to be deadly for your team, simply because there is a constant lack of support for players who activate in more crowded areas), but at least make sure the players and the positions you play them in are a perfect match. Basically, you need to make sure your players have the necessary qualities to perform their designated role without the support of a more fluid system, where covering zones and defending spaces becomes a collective tactic, which hides away some flaws in your players, that otherwise would have been more visible and more exposed. The way we are playing exposes flaws in Busi's game for example that he always had imo, but the system made sure they didn't manifest.

Problem is we need starting material players. That could well mean something close to 100m for only 2 players. If not more. But we could actually play a lot better with the same squad unde a more creative manager.

Moving Messi to midfield will only work if we build the entire team around it. He will add little to no defensive work, however he has such amazing vision there is no better place for him to be now that his legs aren't what they used to be. We need a player beaming with energy and PACE to play next to him; not another useless player like Gomes who is slow and incapable. Next, he has to at least be above average at defending...the high energy and pace will do the rest. It also allows him to be an outlet in counters and more importantly have the ability to DEFEND counters by keeping up with the attack. Busquests makes us so vulnerable in that regard, and right now he has all slow players like Rakitic, Gomes, Arda and an aging Iniesta with him. Rafinha isn't pacey at all. It's sad when our fastest midfielder is our oldest one.

Next we need a proper RB, someone who can actually strike fear into defenses and attract defenders to stretch out the defense. It would help if he can defend too. Worth spending the cash.

I think betting on that system would heavily rely on the quality of said CM signing though. If he isn't willing to cover ground, participate in attack and still defend we'll have a hole in midfield any time Messi gives up the ball or gets caught up in attack. It could be incredible, or it could leave us vulnerable. The other option is to bring in a proper CM who can control the game a bit; partnering him with a high energy/workrate attacking minded player would be ideal.

Either way, I think having one RB who can attack, but defending comes first would be ideal on which ever side the more attacking minded midfielder is on like when we had Abidal. Our defense was much more stable then and didn't rely as much on our midfield having their shit together.
 
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Yashar1899

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Co0ter -> Amadou Diawara!
Great Vision - Great Passing - Great Ball Control - Great Stamina - Great Strength - Great Interceptions - Great Aggression! Great Composure -> Yaya Toure-esque
 
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Sport mediaset claiming Verratti would cost 85m euros. Probably bs, though.
 

DonAK

President of FC Barcelona
It is BS.

Even in the slightest chance PSG are ready to sell him, there's no way they're selling him for less than Pogba.
 

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