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Luftstalag14

Luftstalag14

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DennyCrane said:
It's a political fighting term to implicate that the person spoken to has no knowledge of basic economics. Mostly because the self proclaimed socialist regimes of the past (and we're always talking about the past) were a thinly veiled front for autocratic tendencies with economical mismanagement galore. Looking at Europe these days, we learned that it doesn't take a socialist to run a country into bankruptcy.

Fun Trivia: In Germany, which always tried to find a reasonable middleground between the two extremes of capitalism and socialism - thus dubbing it social market economy - it were actually the capitalists within the social democratic / socialist party supported by the socialists within the social democratic / socialist party and the make-believe socialists of the green party who shifted the balance towards moar capitalism by deregulating the banking sector and the insurance industry and cutting down social welfare.
Hence, the term is devoid of all meaning in modern politics.
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Bravo. :yes:
 
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Ryu Hayabusa

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DennyCrane said:
It's a political fighting term to implicate that the person spoken to has no knowledge of basic economics. Mostly because the self proclaimed socialist regimes of the past (and we're always talking about the past) were a thinly veiled front for autocratic tendencies with economical mismanagement galore. Looking at Europe these days, we learned that it doesn't take a socialist to run a country into bankruptcy.

Fun Trivia: In Germany, which always tried to find a reasonable middleground between the two extremes of capitalism and socialism - thus dubbing it social market economy - it were actually the capitalists within the social democratic / socialist party supported by the socialists within the social democratic / socialist party and the make-believe socialists of the green party who shifted the balance towards moar capitalism by deregulating the banking sector and the insurance industry and cutting down social welfare.
Hence, the term is devoid of all meaning in modern politics.
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Our Social-Democrats are not exactly what you'd refer to as Socialists, not only because Schröder plus his buddy Joschka proved to be neoliberal wolves in sheep's clothing.
In Germany, nobody imagines a SPD politician when you hear the expression "Socialists". You comparison seems flawed.
 
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DennyCrane

DennyCrane

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Ryu Hayabusa said:
Our Social-Democrats are not exactly what you'd refer to as Socialists, not only because Schröder plus his buddy Joschka proved to be neoliberal wolves in sheep's clothing.
In Germany, nobody imagines a SPD politician when you hear the expression "Socialists". You comparison seems flawed.
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Their youth organization is socialist - their articles clearly state that the organization aspires democratic socialism.

SPD well... they have a right wing (Seeheimer Kreis) and a left wing, which is almost non-existant by this point, and yet they have a socialist past + they are still organized in the Sozialistische Internationale. Then again, the million dollar question is, what is the SPD supposed to be these days anyway ?
 
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Ryu Hayabusa

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DennyCrane said:
Their youth organization is socialist - their articles clearly state that the organization aspires democratic socialism.

SPD well... they have a right wing (Seeheimer Kreis) and a left wing, which is almost non-existant by this point, and yet they have a socialist past + they are still organized in the Sozialistische Internationale. Then again, the million dollar question is, what is the SPD supposed to be these days anyway ?
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Well, I will certainly not argue the case that they have a socialist past. I mean, back in the day, they were actual socialists, long before that term got perverted by the likes of the Sovjet underlings. But that happens to all bigger theoretical concepts and theories... Neo-classical economics, Keynesianist economics, Monetarism, well... democracy... :D Once put into practice, with time, they all got watered-down and corrupted beyond recognition.
But well... Bayern Munich... right? ;)
 
footyfan

footyfan

Calma, calma
Luftstalag14 said:
What's so wrong with socialist policies and practices? Is socialist such a dirty word these days?
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Nobody here has said socialist policies are wrong though. What gave you the feeling to ask that question?

I personally like capitalism because in theory it favours the smart more than socialism.
 
Cule4life

Cule4life

The Culest
Both Capitalism and Socialism have their flaws. The world should move and these ideologies should not be followed blindly
 
DennyCrane

DennyCrane

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Meanwhile, back at the ranch, Pep fell in love with Franck Ribery.

On this level, I've never seen a player with such character before. How he fights for the team. It's an honor for me to coach him.
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Stric

Stric

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Luftstalag14 said:
What's so wrong with socialist policies and practices? Is socialist such a dirty word these days?
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I've been asking myself the same question for the past few years. You can't even mention socialism in whatever context without getting the look, or worse.
 
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suckabov

Lemon curry?
But that just is Pep's philosophy & appraoch to motivate his players, he acts humble and attributes every success to them - unlike Mou who openly acts like every win is a win by the manager. That "Messi made me the best manager etc etc" quote shows exactly that. It might not be true nor even his own opinion, but it seems to work and is just his style.


Having said that, I did find it funny when he called Lahm "the most intelligent player" he has ever coached. :lol:
 
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