Bernardo Silva

[Leo_Messi]

I wrote 1.5 years ago on this very forum that we should buy him instead of Coutinho. Younger, much cheaper, more complete, better technically and a player who works twice as hard. Alas, not a Brazilian but merely a Portuguese next door so of course he never had a chance.

 

[clemente]

more complete, better technically

?

 

[SeloBarca]

You got managers that turn a great RW/RM into an amazing CM/CAM , then you have managers that turn WC players into bench material.

That, more than anything.
Pep is the best there is at taking players to another level.
Pretty much every City player has taken another step since he took over.
Valverde is a Mourinho type of arrogant coach that hardly speaks to the players at all.

 

[Leo_Messi]

?

A better ball retention, a better passing game and range and a better eye for the final pass. Bernardo Silva fits our style much more than Coutinho does in general as well. It's pretty obvious to me at least.

 

[YodaMaster]

This guy can't run for longer than 45 minutes.

He would have fit in perfectly with our other midfield turtles and players with granny's stamina.

Short, technical, can't run too much and gets tired easily.
Barca's DNA midfielder

Broke the record for the most km run by a player in the EPL this season, with 14km !

4 tackles, 3 interceptions according to whoscored, 10 balls won back according to L'Equipe. Best defensive contributor among all the players on the pitch. All this in PL's biggest clash in recent years, all this against the best european team this season (Liverpool) according to a majority of football fans.

This guy's today performance is actually the proof that your theories that "only tall, strong, thug midfielders are workhorses" and that "small, short and light technical players gets bullied in big matches" aren’t correct.

 

[Givenchy]

alot of this is down to Pep. had we signed him i doubt we see him become anything like he is right now, give Coutinho to Pep and im sure he'd make him a success

 

[YodaMaster]

player who works twice as hard

???

Did you watch him at Monaco ? Dude was never really a hard worker. Decent at best. He actually was one of Monaco's less hardworking players. Coutinho wasn't a less hard working player than Bernardo before Bernardo met Pep. Just saying.

Technically, him and Coutinho are both beast.

If Bernardo can perform like this, Coutinho can at least approach that level too. Problem is that it won't happen under an incompetent coach like Valverde.

alot of this is down to Pep. had we signed him i doubt we see him become anything like he is right now, give Coutinho to Pep and im sure he'd make him a success

Exactly ! Couldn't agree more.

 

[cracken]

???

Did you watch him at Monaco ? Dude was never really a hard worker. Decent at best. He actually was one of Monaco's less hardworking players. Coutinho wasn't a less hard working player than Bernardo before Bernardo met Pep. Just saying.

What a load of nonsense, are you basically just lying to people who don't watch Ligue1? dude was constantly dropping back to help with the defense and was always there when the unreliable right backs ( Nabil Dirar or Sidibé ) went missing.

A poster from the Monaco forum after one of his last games with the team:

"C'est l un de ses plus mauvais matchs cette année, CEPENDANT il a couru comme un chien, il a défendu, il s'est donné à fond.

Quel joueur !"


" It's one of his worst matches this year, HOWEVER, he ran like a dog, he defended, and he gave everything. What a player !"

Hard work and relentlessly pressing the opponent were the first qualities that people noticed about him back in 2014, long before the great passes, the goals, and the dribbles.

 

[Respekt_III]

Thank you for the info Cracken. I suspected his claims in the Coutinho thread may have been incorrect and asked an associate who does watch league 1 who said something similar to you, even mentioning that it went as far back as his Benfica days.

 

[BarçaBarça]

Too bad we didn't want him back then. If we pushed for it, he would be here now. We went for Gomes instead, quite laughable to be honest.
A hard-working, technically skilled and intelligent midfield-player is always welcome in a barca-team. He could have had all of Gomes, Denis, Rafinhas minutes, and maybe some of Rakitic.

I don't buy that he would flop here because Pep is not our coach..

 

[YodaMaster]

What a load of nonsense, are you basically just lying to people who don't watch Ligue1? dude was constantly dropping back to help with the defense and was always there when the unreliable right backs ( Nabil Dirar or Sidibé ) went missing.

A poster from the Monaco forum after one of his last games with the team:

"C'est l un de ses plus mauvais matchs cette année, CEPENDANT il a couru comme un chien, il a défendu, il s'est donné à fond.

Quel joueur !"


" It's one of his worst matches this year, HOWEVER, he ran like a dog, he defended, and he gave everything. What a player !"

Hard work and relentlessly pressing the opponent were the first qualities that people noticed about him back in 2014, long before the great passes, the goals, and the dribbles.

Where am I lying ? I said he was decent in defensive tasks, I haven't said that the dude was Mesut Ozil. Calm down.

And you can't ignore the context: yesterday Bernardo was THE workhorse on the pitch. He never was that at Monaco. He wasn't outworking Fabinho, Bakayako, Moutinho or Lemar, they all did contribute more defensively than him. Which is logical since he was the main creator going forward. Yeah he played RW/RM and he helped his full back of course, just like every winger is supposed to do except guys like Ronaldo, Messi or Salah.

I can't speak about Bernardo's Benfica days, I started watching him with Monaco.

 

[cracken]

Where am I lying ? I said he was decent in defensive tasks, I haven't said that the dude was Mesut Ozil. Calm down.

And you can't ignore the context: yesterday Bernardo was THE workhorse on the pitch. He never was that at Monaco. He wasn't outworking Fabinho, Bakayako, Moutinho or Lemar, they all did contribute more defensively than him. Which is logical since he was the main creator going forward. Yeah he played RW/RM and he helped his full back of course, just like every winger is supposed to do except guys like Ronaldo, Messi or Salah.

I can't speak about Bernardo's Benfica days, I started watching him with Monaco.

I'm not really sure what your motives are, but I suspect that you are trying to argue that Coutinho can be transformed into a hard-working proper midfielder just like Silva if he had the right coach. And to back that up you are making up this narrative of Bernardo having the same workrate as Countino back in his Monaco days. It's simply false, you literally could not have possibly asked more from a winger. Dude would even drift to the middle to help in midield at times.

And here's the kicker, he's just more athletically gifted and explosive than Coutinho. Philippe will never be able to play the same way.

 

[Leo_Messi]

???

Did you watch him at Monaco ? Dude was never really a hard worker. Decent at best. He actually was one of Monaco's less hardworking players. Coutinho wasn't a less hard working player than Bernardo before Bernardo met Pep. Just saying.

Technically, him and Coutinho are both beast.

If Bernardo can perform like this, Coutinho can at least approach that level too. Problem is that it won't happen under an incompetent coach like Valverde.



Exactly ! Couldn't agree more.

You really don't have a clue about what you are talking about. Bernardo Silva would have been a much better transfer than the scandalous Coutinho transfer (160 million euros!) and a much better fit as shortly described in post 394. The Coutinho transfer was just another (the most recent) confirmation of this idiotic board's pathetic transfer dealings. Buying players without a well-defined plan that don't fit the current "system" or what is left of it.

I am sick and tired of this mediocrity, lack of a long-term project, no cohesion on the transfer market etc., signing average players, signing players for absurd transfer sums etc.

Look at RM (our greatest rivals) in comparison. All without a sporting director. Paying twice as little money since 2010 as well. Shocking stuff really. Should tell everything.

 

[BBZ8800]

Broke the record for the most km run by a player in the EPL this season, with 14km !

4 tackles, 3 interceptions according to whoscored, 10 balls won back according to L'Equipe. Best defensive contributor among all the players on the pitch. All this in PL's biggest clash in recent years, all this against the best european team this season (Liverpool) according to a majority of football fans.

This guy's today performance is actually the proof that your theories that "only tall, strong, thug midfielders are workhorses" and that "small, short and light technical players gets bullied in big matches" aren’t correct.

Hold your horses, son, until Pep wins a Cl with those players.

You will prove me wrong then.

 

[YodaMaster]

I'm not really sure what your motives are, but I suspect that you are trying to argue that Coutinho can be transformed into a hard-working proper midfielder just like Silva if he had the right coach. And to back that up you are making up this narrative of Bernardo having the same workrate as Countino back in his Monaco days. It's simply false, you literally could not have possibly asked more from a winger. Dude would even drift to the middle to help in midield at times.

And here's the kicker, he's just more athletically gifted and explosive than Coutinho. Philippe will never be able to play the same way.

In Bernardo's case, I was just stating that even though he's never been an Ozil before, he also never was this kind of crazy workhorse in his Monaco days. Y'all should go read french papers, they're surprised with Bernardo's crazy activity.

https://www.sofoot.com/si-bernardo-silva-tout-va-464461.html

This one for example says:
"Au point de reconnaître difficilement le Portugais qu’on pouvait observer il y a deux ans encore sur le Rocher monégasque. Celui qui était aussi talentueux que fluet."
"We couldn't recognize the Portuguese we used to watch 2 years ago at Monaco. The one who was as talented as he was frele."

http://www.maxifoot.fr/football/article-38414.htm

This one says:

"A Monaco, on connaissait le Bernardo Silva capable de sublimer le jeu de son équipe par sa vision de jeu et sa qualité technique. A Manchester, le Lusitanien a ajouté l'impact physique et la détermination en phase défensive à sa panoplie du parfait milieu de terrain. Un volume de jeu impressionnant. «Bernardo Silva a tout fait» , a lancé son entraîneur à l'issue de la rencontre face aux Reds."

"At Monaco, we knew the Bernardo who was able to sublime his team's with his vision and his technical quality. At Manchester, the portuguese added physical impact and determination in defensive phases to his game to become the perfect midfielder. An impressive volume in his game..."

Yes a great coach like Pep does transform young promising players with lot of potential into accomplished world class players by adjusting some things and developing even further some others.

About Coutinho, I never said that he needs to do this crazy Bernardo like workhorse performances. I answered in Coutinho thread. Go watch if you want.