dalitis8
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Obsessed? We love him.
Best Manager of All Time?
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Obsessed? We love him.
Another British biased poll. Jock Stein?!
Where is Herrera?
Ah.. sorry guys, just saw it.
I added Herrera now, but too late I guess.
Where is Herrera?
Ah.. sorry guys, just saw it.
I added Herrera now, but too late I guess.
Metaphysical
Bomb Dropper
it's not a straightforward answer. there are many categories to judge a manager by:
Sebes, Herrera and Michels are the tactical forefathers of the modern game.
Cruyff and Sacchi are disciples of the above, bringing their tactics into the modern age. Pep is their heir.
Ferguson, Capello and Del Bosque are relentless winners and fantastic man and media managers. Mourinho is their heir.
Shankly and Busby deserve a mention for the way they, as managers, basically built their clubs from nothing to goliaths. Busby had to do it twice after his first goliath got struck down, so that's doubly impressive.
if I had to pick just one, it would be Sebes. he revolutionised the game with 424 and the tactical innovations therein (laying the foundations that Michels in particular followed), created probably the greatest side ever with the Magyars, and then he helped invent the European Cup.
Sebes, Herrera and Michels are the tactical forefathers of the modern game.
Cruyff and Sacchi are disciples of the above, bringing their tactics into the modern age. Pep is their heir.
Ferguson, Capello and Del Bosque are relentless winners and fantastic man and media managers. Mourinho is their heir.
Shankly and Busby deserve a mention for the way they, as managers, basically built their clubs from nothing to goliaths. Busby had to do it twice after his first goliath got struck down, so that's doubly impressive.
if I had to pick just one, it would be Sebes. he revolutionised the game with 424 and the tactical innovations therein (laying the foundations that Michels in particular followed), created probably the greatest side ever with the Magyars, and then he helped invent the European Cup.
UEFA_Barça_Chris
o Fenômeno
ohhhh yess and don't forget he was a good striker!
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Aryagorn
Improvin' Perfection!!
Sir Alex Ferguson is GAWD... Pep, no wonder, says publicly he looks up to the great man!!
I remember him saying some thing like "The market is very weird in Winter and there's a reason the great SAF looks upto summer window" when asked if he would sign any player during last winter transfer window
I remember him saying some thing like "The market is very weird in Winter and there's a reason the great SAF looks upto summer window" when asked if he would sign any player during last winter transfer window
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La Furia
Legion of Doooom
:beer2: I can finally vote now.
Overall good point but Herrera was as good of a man manager as he was a tactician, he brought sports psychology to football. He completely changed the way a manager could get the most out of their players.
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Raed
Dr. Raed St. Claire
What I love about football is the life lessons you can take from it. I am not sure if this the same in any sport but the fact that not until very recently athleticism became important, the game of football is a miniature illustration of life and its dynamic turn of events.
From wiki:
Once in Inter he suspended a player after telling the press "we came to play in Rome" instead of "we came to win in Rome".
Capello did the exact same thing but for the life of me I could not remember to who. During half time in a preseason friendly that player responded to Capello's frustration by telling him that he should calm down because it is only a friendly. Capello never fielded that player again because to him every match is a must win, there are no friendlies in football. The psychology of football is very interesting to me, that is why I am insanely addicted to details and player's behavior.
La Furia
Legion of Doooom
It's like the Camus quote I used to have in my sig. It's something in every sport to varying levels (the reason I became a sports fan is by learning to appreciate the mental and social parts of the game, before that my own lack of athletic ability turned me off), but in football there is so much freedom that game changing can be subtle.
That sort of micromanagement is why football is the one sport where I'm a tactics freak. I love sports psychology and its effect on tactics in general but in football especially it's easy to miss how slight innovations can change everything. That's why I can't help but admire someone like Mourinho, his love of gamesmanship and willing to shut everything down to get the win can be aggravating but his tactics are the product of his team-building, he creates an us against the world siege mentality that forces players to rely on each other; you get Sneijder saying he would take a bullet for Mouinho and a player like Eto'o with a history of being a loner willing to take on a different role and sacrifice personal stats for efficiency.
To me things like that all trace back to Herrera. He was the first complete manager. Tactically sure he perfected catenaccio but it was never just about defense for him - he redefined wingbacks and liberos, paving the way the unorthodox German and even Dutch football of the 60s and 70s. Pep's every man defend, every man attacks style owes as much to Herrera as it does Cruyff. Michels total football system defeated Herrera's catenaccio after all, because it has the same think outside the box origins. He also pioneered fitness, was one of the finest crowd manipulators, and as mentioned before, pioneered sports psychology.
Sebes too was a visionary but I don't think he had as direct an impact on the western european game. Speaking of Eastern Europeans, there's also two Ukranians - Victor Maslov (basically the inventor of the 4-4-2 and modern defending) and Valeriy Lobanovskyi (Maslov's successor in micromanagement and a pioneer in using mathematics in football tactics)
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Beast
The Observer
Paulo Di Canio if i remember correctly..
Shocking to see no votes for Miguel Munoz...
16 years in Charge of Real , 9 league trophies and 2 CL
first manager to win the CL as a player and as a Manager (twice ) , he took Real Madrid during a time of transition when the Di Stefano generation was too old and built another great generation that managed to win the CL 6 years later in 1966 beating the likes of Herrera on the way (revenge from the previous encounter in the final vs Herrera when Inter won the trophy) as well as Runner up spot in charge of Spain in 1984
introduced so many great players and managed to keep Real competitive
If you look to his success rate in Europe and Spain .. u can strike off 90% of the names on the list
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Jordzibob
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Actually, I'm suprised nobodys mentioned this yet, and its a disgrace he's not in the poll tbh. Top of the overall ranking charts in Spain and greatest Brazilian manager of all time, has won more titles than most managers combined and all the while looks good doing it.
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