Neither dominated Europe...........you lost plenty of finals but never got over the winning line except in 85 and 96.
However that Juve team would top or be near the top of the list of 'complete' teams.
There are plenty of 'complete' teams who never dominated like they should have. I am thinking of both Juve incarnations, The Brazil and France national teams of the 80's, Bayern in the 80's, Mancs in the 90's early 00's, Benfica in the 60's (should have won at least 4 CL's that decade instead of 2) and of course the Barca dream team of the 90's. (only 1 CL was a poor return for such a team).
By 'complete' I mean teams that had absolutely everything in their locker to dominate European/world football but for some reason never got past the winning line often enough.
you seem to know well football history, so I'm surprise you don't know well all facts
early 80's Juve ... not only won the Champions Cup in 1985 (even if in drammatica circumstances......I said won because I consider the Cup given on a table before the match with Liverpool, that was played only for public order's reasons). That Juve won also Cup's Winners Cup the year before (1984, beating Man U. in semis and in the Final that Porto that 3 years later won Champions' Cup) and reached Champions' Cup Final in 1983, dominating rather than eliminating an english team (A.Villa) that was defending champions in an era in which english teams came from an incredible row of 7 consecutive Cups won !!
In 1985, that team broke an other incredible straight, that one of south americans teams winning Intercontinental Cup for 8 or 9 years on a row......the match against Argentinos Jr is considerated the best Intercontinental Cup of all time
Moreover, to consider the grandeur of a team, you must consider also the grandeur of its players ...... in that Juve there were 6 World Cup winners for Italy in 1982, those who made 9 of the last 10 goals of that tournament for Italy......Boniek, named best player of the World Cup where leaded Poland ot semis, and above all Platini, best european player ever by far
That team signed an era of football......according to me the best team ever, before modern teams that are more machine than pure football (since Sacchi's Milan to nowadays)
mid 90's Juve ........... we're talking of a team who holds the record of more consecutive matches in Europe: 55 .... since September 94 to April 99 !!
4 consecutive Finals reached (the first one in UEFA Cup) e at the end the wasting of second leg semis 99 in Turin after being over 2-0 on Man Un
It was a team with less great players than 80's Juve, but even more powerful......despite having anyway players like Baggio, Del Piero, Zidane, Vieri, P. Sousa, ecc. ecc.
For long years, I was sure Juve could win every match....and that was.
Unfortunately, we missed Finals...... but that doesn't cancel all the year, where Juve were considered the best team of the world and Sir Alex Ferguson stated that Juve was a model for his United
if you give much consideration to the result of the Final, then you should say that Nottingham Forest is a more dominant team than those Juve, but also than Barça too !!.....given that Barça neither have never succeded to win 2 Champions o a row
