Boubakary Soumare

LABarcaFan

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None. I was just asking. I wouldn't mind if we would bring two new starting quality CMs but it's unlikely.

And we don't need to do that. FDJ, Messi and A.Melo are going to play as midfielders, with Busqets, S.Roberto and Puig as a subs. We don't need to get any new CM. Our biggest problem at the moment is the defense and we have to upgrade it this summer.
 

LABarcaFan

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Did not play the past three games despite being fit. He actually was left out of the squad last game against OM. Some believe that it is because he rejected a couple of offers.


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Why would he apologize to the manager? I think there is more to the story.

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Watching these video clips, he looks very solid defensively with excellent passing and dribbling skills If we are to buy this guy, then out system has to go back to 4-4-2, because Messi is fake # 7 and he actually plays as a AM.
 

vuji_31

Senior Member
They will not change system for Soumare who will not come to Barcelona because they will want other players.
But I agree Messi fuc*s other players with dropping in the midfield.

I think I only read once about this guy and Barcelona.

Maybe if we can't sign Ndombele (I don't like him, he is lazy bum) and Ruiz Abidal can go for his french guys.
 

Messi983

Senior Member
And we don't need to do that. FDJ, Messi and A.Melo are going to play as midfielders, with Busqets, S.Roberto and Puig as a subs. We don't need to get any new CM. Our biggest problem at the moment is the defense and we have to upgrade it this summer.

Good luck with these "midfielders". None of them is good defensively.
 

LABarcaFan

New member
Good luck with these "midfielders". None of them is good defensively.

Sorry. I didn't bring them to Camp Nou my friend. E.Abidal did. You are right. None of them is good defensively, but this summer we have more important things to address, than the CM positions. And something else. FDJ and A.Melo were not known as a defensive midfielders, before signing with Barcelona. They both came as a replacements of Xavi and Iniesta. The defensive mid is Rakitic, but he is not that good. But again, if Barto decide to buy one, the best option for us would be Boubakary Soumare. He is defensive specialist.
 

Messi983

Senior Member
Sorry. I didn't bring them to Camp Nou my friend. E.Abidal did. You are right. None of them is good defensively, but this summer we have more important things to address, than the CM positions. And something else. FDJ and A.Melo were not known as a defensive midfielders, before signing with Barcelona. They both came as a replacements of Xavi and Iniesta. The defensive mid is Rakitic, but he is not that good. But again, if Barto decide to buy one, the best option for us would be Boubakary Soumare. He is defensive specialist.

You've said we don't need starting quality midfielders. I think we do. Yeah, we have other needs as well but I think addressing a CB and a DM/CM first should be our priority.

Raki was never our starting DM, this was and still is Busi's job. And he's not aging good so shouldn't be undisputable starter anymore (but he'll be for 2-3 more years).

You're wrong about FDJ. He has played as a DM for Ajax and was bought as Busi's replacement but he now needs to play as a CM instead to accomodate Busi into the lineup though to be fair we don't really have much other options and Busi-FDJ-Arthur/Vidal midfield is probably still better than FDJ-Arthur-Vidal/Raki or so.

I don't really consider Arthur as a guaranteed longterm starter unless he can improve his fitness.

Soumare is more a box to box midfielder (which we could also use but I think we need a midfielder "destroyer" now even more since it seems we'll have a Messi-Suarez duo walking upfront for a few more years) than a defensive specialist. If we're going that way I would certainly prefer him over someone like Ndombele who seems to have fitness issues and can't run for more than 60 minutes (we already have enough players like this). In a similar price range we can also get a much more proven midfielder in Thomas Partey who has a 50m buy out clause.

But if we're looking for a destroyer with a high upside who can be a key part of our next team once the amigos are finally gone in 2-3 years then Camavinga is our man. Sadly I don't believe we'll get him (because we need money for another 100m forward signing) so let's just hope he won't end in Madrid. RM still have Casemiro at the top of his game at 28 but they are already looking in the future for his replacement. I could easily see a Camavinga-Valverde-Odegaard midfield dominating a Frenkie-XX-YY one we'll have in a few years.


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I know stats are not everything (and can also be misleading) because they don't show player's exact role/position in his team, team's playing style etc but if you look at the number of defensive actions (tackles, interceptions, clearances, blocks) then it's clear Camavinga is in another galaxy compared to Soumare but that's understandable because they are different profile of the players. I'm just making this comparision because you've called Soumare a defensive specialist which he's not (I've also included Partey because I've mentioned him above. I don't think there is any chance we'll seriously go after him though).

Sure, Camavinga can flop in a bigger club but I think he can be a generational talent at his position and is well worth a risk. It would probably be better for him to stay at Rennes for another season but we are not in a position to do that (RM on the other hand can and most likely will unless the player will prefer to move to a club like Dortmund - which would probably be the best for his longterm development).

Not from a financial (we can't buy a player for 60m and leave him on loan; we're loaning a 160m player so why not though?) nor from a sporting standpoint (we need improvements in midfield now). Sadly with a club de amigos (and even more so with Setien being "in love" with Busi) behind him Busi's starting position is not in a serious danger regardless of whoever we'll bring.

The same can be said about Pique, Alba and Suarez. I would be really happy if I'd be wrong about at least one of them because this would mean we're making a small step in the right direction but I won't hold my breath.
 

vuji_31

Senior Member
I don't see mythical Barca DNA where you have 100 precent passing and zero precent of defence. Pass on Camavinga.

We need another player in midfield that will pass to Messi who is out of position. Then he will try to make pass to floop signing Lautaro who fails pass to another failer Griezmann.
Barca future is shit, and future is near.

We will never get player like Camavinga,Haaland,Werner,Upamecano...That is sad truth.
 

vuji_31

Senior Member
Yes but now we are buying players that idiot Bartomeu likes, and he does not know shit about football.

Griezmann as signining says it all.

Hope so we will get one of them , but we will spend 100mill on shitty Martinez who scored 11 goals in league while Immobile scored 25 plus goals.
 

LABarcaFan

New member
You've said we don't need starting quality midfielders. I think we do. Yeah, we have other needs as well but I think addressing a CB and a DM/CM first should be our priority.

Raki was never our starting DM, this was and still is Busi's job. And he's not aging good so shouldn't be undisputable starter anymore (but he'll be for 2-3 more years).

You're wrong about FDJ. He has played as a DM for Ajax and was bought as Busi's replacement but he now needs to play as a CM instead to accomodate Busi into the lineup though to be fair we don't really have much other options and Busi-FDJ-Arthur/Vidal midfield is probably still better than FDJ-Arthur-Vidal/Raki or so.

I don't really consider Arthur as a guaranteed longterm starter unless he can improve his fitness.

Soumare is more a box to box midfielder (which we could also use but I think we need a midfielder "destroyer" now even more since it seems we'll have a Messi-Suarez duo walking upfront for a few more years) than a defensive specialist. If we're going that way I would certainly prefer him over someone like Ndombele who seems to have fitness issues and can't run for more than 60 minutes (we already have enough players like this). In a similar price range we can also get a much more proven midfielder in Thomas Partey who has a 50m buy out clause.

But if we're looking for a destroyer with a high upside who can be a key part of our next team once the amigos are finally gone in 2-3 years then Camavinga is our man. Sadly I don't believe we'll get him (because we need money for another 100m forward signing) so let's just hope he won't end in Madrid. RM still have Casemiro at the top of his game at 28 but they are already looking in the future for his replacement. I could easily see a Camavinga-Valverde-Odegaard midfield dominating a Frenkie-XX-YY one we'll have in a few years.


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I know stats are not everything (and can also be misleading) because they don't show player's exact role/position in his team, team's playing style etc but if you look at the number of defensive actions (tackles, interceptions, clearances, blocks) then it's clear Camavinga is in another galaxy compared to Soumare but that's understandable because they are different profile of the players. I'm just making this comparision because you've called Soumare a defensive specialist which he's not (I've also included Partey because I've mentioned him above. I don't think there is any chance we'll seriously go after him though).

Sure, Camavinga can flop in a bigger club but I think he can be a generational talent at his position and is well worth a risk. It would probably be better for him to stay at Rennes for another season but we are not in a position to do that (RM on the other hand can and most likely will unless the player will prefer to move to a club like Dortmund - which would probably be the best for his longterm development).

Not from a financial (we can't buy a player for 60m and leave him on loan; we're loaning a 160m player so why not though?) nor from a sporting standpoint (we need improvements in midfield now). Sadly with a club de amigos (and even more so with Setien being "in love" with Busi) behind him Busi's starting position is not in a serious danger regardless of whoever we'll bring.

The same can be said about Pique, Alba and Suarez. I would be really happy if I'd be wrong about at least one of them because this would mean we're making a small step in the right direction but I won't hold my breath.

Nope. I disagree with you. That skinny 17 y.o. Angolan kid to be labeled as a destroyer is the biggest joke I have heard for a long time. Soumare with his strong body and physical abilities will eat him for breakfast. No need to say anything else. Also, when Busy is not playing, Rakitic is our DM with FDJ and Melo as a CM. And I have watched many games of Ajax where Frenkie was playing as a DM.

Camavinga is the mbappe of young midfielders, get the man if you can

How can you call 17 y.o. kid, man. Do you know what the word man means?

Yes but now we are buying players that idiot Bartomeu likes, and he does not know shit about football.

Griezmann as signining says it all.

Hope so we will get one of them , but we will spend 100mill on shitty Martinez who scored 11 goals in league while Immobile scored 25 plus goals.

That is true. Barto is ready to pay 111 millions for Martinez and reject any other transfer with the simple excuse that there is no money to do anything else.
 

DonAK

President of FC Barcelona
That skinny 17 y.o. Angolan kid to be labeled as a destroyer is the biggest joke I have heard for a long time. Soumare with his strong body and physical abilities will eat him for breakfast.

You've never watched him play have you?

The fact that you called Soumare for a destroyer says it all.
 

serghei

Senior Member
We need a strong midfielder who can tackle and recover balls and is not a slouch on the ball either. We don't need another fancy player with good passing and technique but rather average off the ball in defensive transition and space coverage. We need the opposite. Someone who is activated off the ball, gets the ball back, is strong and has a hard working mentality.

Mikael Essien, Thomas Partey, Arturo Vidal, Sergej Milinkovic Savic, Casemiro, Claude Makelele, Pavel Nedved, Patrick Vieira, Edgar Davids, these are the type of players we need in profile. Defensive work-rate first, but if the player brings some cutting edge through shots and comes up to finish chances with effectiveness, even better.

Key signings imo:

1. Winger or Striker (both if possible)
2. Central Midfielder
3. Central defender

All starting quality.
 
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stk93

New member
We need a strong midfielder who can tackle and recover balls and is not a slouch on the ball either. We don't need another fancy player with good passing and technique but rather average off the ball in defensive transition and space coverage. We need the opposite. Someone who is activated off the ball, gets the ball back, is strong and has a hard working mentality.

Mikael Essien, Thomas Partey, Arturo Vidal, Sergej Milinkovic Savic, Casemiro, Claude Makelele, Pavel Nedved, Patrick Vieira, Edgar Davids, these are the type of players we need in profile. Defensive work-rate first, but if the player brings some cutting edge through shots and comes up to finish chances with effectiveness, even better.

Key signings imo:

1. Winger or Striker (both if possible)
2. Central Midfielder
3. Central defender

All starting quality.

1. werner/gabriel jesus
1. ndidi/partey
1. romagnoli
 

FinBarcelonafan

Well-known member
We need a strong midfielder who can tackle and recover balls and is not a slouch on the ball either. We don't need another fancy player with good passing and technique but rather average off the ball in defensive transition and space coverage. We need the opposite. Someone who is activated off the ball, gets the ball back, is strong and has a hard working mentality.

Mikael Essien, Thomas Partey, Arturo Vidal, Sergej Milinkovic Savic, Casemiro, Claude Makelele, Pavel Nedved, Patrick Vieira, Edgar Davids, these are the type of players we need in profile. Defensive work-rate first, but if the player brings some cutting edge through shots and comes up to finish chances with effectiveness, even better.

Key signings imo:

1. Winger or Striker (both if possible)
2. Central Midfielder
3. Central defender

All starting quality.

Young Vidal
 

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