Bundesliga

[Luftstalag14]

It takes a while for new players to adapt to the new team and click together, no matter how good they are or how big their potential is. Losing potentially several key players will be a big blow to BVB regardless.

The most important issue at hands is that BVB must not be a feeder club for Bayern and other elite European clubs, they must be able to retain their players. The question is how.

 

[Messi983]

Sule to replace Hummels
Dahoud to replace Gundogan

and then Dembele and Gotze too.

Not bad, not bad at all if you disregard the inexperience.

All those players can grow to be really good replacements.

Yes, and then in 3 or 4 years they will all go to Bayern (except for Götze of course).

 

[Donauwelle]

It takes a while for new players to adapt to the new team and click together, no matter how good they are or how big their potential is. Losing potentially several key players will be a big blow to BVB regardless.

The most important issue at hands is that BVB must not be a feeder club for Bayern and other elite European clubs, they must be able to retain their players. The question is how.

What do you expect? To be a big club from 0 to 100 when all of the others needed a very long time to get there and consistent work? Maybe that works with Sheikh money - but even with Sheikh money it seems to take years...

Dortmund has had the experience to want too much too fast - that lead them nearly into bankruptcy and they only got out of debt 2 or 3 years ago. If they stay up in the first 3 ranks in the next years they will grow on and on. In that time it does not really matter if it is Bayern or all of the other top clubs that buy their players. It might not feel great for the BVB fans if the players go to Bayern and might feel better if it is to the abroad - but actually it does not change anything. It is the same feeling that some of the other clubs have whose players leave to Dortmund because it is an improvement for them. The players want to climb up the ladder and would go anyways and Bayern would get other players of the same quality.

 

[Luftstalag14]

What do you expect? To be a big club from 0 to 100 when all of the others needed a very long time to get there and consistent work? Maybe that works with Sheikh money - but even with Sheikh money it seems to take years...

Dortmund has had the experience to want too much too fast - that lead them nearly into bankruptcy and they only got out of debt 2 or 3 years ago. If they stay up in the first 3 ranks in the next years they will grow on and on. In that time it does not really matter if it is Bayern or all of the other top clubs that buy their players. It might not feel great for the BVB fans if the players go to Bayern and might feel better if it is to the abroad - but actually it does not change anything. It is the same feeling that some of the other clubs have whose players leave to Dortmund because it is an improvement for them. The players want to climb up the ladder and would go anyways and Bayern would get other players of the same quality.

So you are saying BVB fans should just bite the bullet and be happy?

 

[Yannik]

So you are saying BVB fans should just bite the bullet and be happy?

Should they quit football instead? What's the alternative to jsut live with that? Upcoming clubs are surrounded by the big ones, gunning for their yet low paid and ambitious players. Will take some time until they get stable, and become a club where players want to end their careers at. As a fan you simply have to bite the pillow for that period of time. After 10 or more years on that level things will become much easier and the transition from midtable to top club has also been done financially.

 

[Donauwelle]

So you are saying BVB fans should just bite the bullet and be happy?

Did somebody say that? But accept the way it is like the other clubs Dortmund gets its players from have to, too. The talk is that Dortmund wants to get Toprak from Bayer.

The same fans do not care at all for the player that wants to stay but is not good enough...

 

[Galning]

tflags banned and Barça is not pronounced as Barza, wtf is this

 

[Luftstalag14]

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Did somebody say that? But accept the way it is like the other clubs Dortmund gets its players from have to, too. The talk is that Dortmund wants to get Toprak from Bayer.

The same fans do not care at all for the player that wants to stay but is not good enough...

In the end it all comes down to money and financial clout.

BVB can't afford to pay the kind of wages Bayern and other top clubs in Europe pay without running aground financially. 50+1 has to go.

 

[diDi7]

tflags banned and Barça is not pronounced as Barza, wtf is this

Thank you.

I checked his posts on Bayernforum and it's pretty much only him really that refers to Barcelona as "Barza".

By the way, he's banned on BZ too now. I don't really know what his problem was, but if a troll wants to troll, he has to suffer the consequences.

What a hateful shithead.

 

[Donauwelle]

M

In the end it all comes down to money and financial clout.

BVB can't afford to pay the kind of wages Bayern and other top clubs in Europe pay without running aground financially. 50+1 has to go.

Hummels is not a question of money. That even the Dortmund boss told.

And what do you want with a "50+1" must go? The bigger clubs in Germany - the ones with the most fans - will not change their structure for it. And I doubt that anybody in Germany would be lucky to have some plastic clubs with Sheikh, Russian or American money to rule the Bundesliga. It does not help no Dortmund, Gladbach etc. fan.

 

[Luftstalag14]

Hummels is not a question of money. That even the Dortmund boss told.

And what do you want with a "50+1" must go? The bigger clubs in Germany - the ones with the most fans - will not change their structure for it. And I doubt that anybody in Germany would be lucky to have some plastic clubs with Sheikh, Russian or American money to rule the Bundesliga. It does not help no Dortmund, Gladbach etc. fan.

How do you know money is not a factor? Bayern offers him 10m a year, almost doubling his current salary. BVB can surely offer him 10m, but that will break their wage structure. Other players will demand a raise too, which BVB can't afford.

Without an injection of money no other team can ever compete with Bayern. You guys might as well get the next 30 buli titles now.

 

[diDi7]

If we can't even keep Gladbach out, how the fuck are we gonna stop Atletico...?

 

[Yannik]

Without an injection of money no other team can ever compete with Bayern. You guys might as well get the next 30 buli titles now.

This is not an option and it nevr has been one. Bundesliga is not gonna sell out, just for competetiveness so that a couple of big club fans overseas can everynow and then consider watching a game from there. The only place where someone would suggest something like this is a Barca or Madrid forum, noone on the fanforums of the old german clubs wants that, this is basically against everything that german football stands for. Fans would boycott the games if that ever happens.

 

[Donauwelle]

How do you know money is not a factor? Bayern offers him 10m a year, almost doubling his current salary. BVB can surely offer him 10m, but that will break their wage structure. Other players will demand a raise too, which BVB can't afford.

Without an injection of money no other team can ever compete with Bayern. You guys might as well get the next 30 buli titles now.

It does not break their wage structure as Reus earns in that category. I am just repeating the words of Watzke.

 

[DennyCrane]

It does not break their wage structure as Reus earns in that category. I am just repeating the words of Watzke.

Reus is at 8 mil €, everyone else 5 mil max with the majority being in the 2-4 mil range. Some are below that. So yeah, it would be breaking the wage structure further. Unless of course Watzke thinks that this is their new wage structure.... which I highly doubt.