Bundesliga

[serghei]

You would be wrong. Bayern is open to a referendum challenging 50+1. It's the smaller clubs that don't want owners involved in the BuLi.

Actually no, Bayern is a proponent of abolishing 50+1, I think both Hoeness and KHR had spoken against it a few times before. They want their league to be more interesting too, it would be in their interests.

Good for them then.

 

[Yannik]

Well , hope they enjoy being the Bayern B , C , D and E for the foreseeable future.

It's always been like that. Yes, it's limiting potential, but people don't think challenging Bayern is important enough to throw out traditions, souvereignity and culture for corporate pleasure.
Simply different priorities.

 

[serghei]

It's always been like that. Yes, it's limiting potential, but people don't think challenging Bayern is important enough to throw out traditions, souvereignity and culture for corporate pleasure.
Simply different priorities.

Maybe they're not as interested in trophies, but rather enjoy every game in itself. Could explain the filled to the max stadiums no matter the league position.

 

[Luftstalag14]

But that's exactly why they don't want it.
German fans and clubs oppose Wolfsburg and Bayer. Not to mention RB.

Yup, even Dietmar Hopp who has been associated with Hoffenheim for more than 30 years is still being hated for owning the club. Ridiculous, really.

 

[Luftstalag14]

Maybe they're not as interested in trophies, but rather enjoy every game in itself. Could explain the filled to the max stadiums no matter the league position.

I think the German mindset when it comes to football is one of the "purest" in the world, if not THE purest. They don't care if their beloved hometown club is able to challenge the big clubs like Bayern, whether they win championships or not, they just want to watch them play every weekend and they want the clubs to stay close to their local roots and that's what really matters to them.

 

[serghei]

I think the German mindset when it comes to football is one of the "purest" in the world, if not THE purest. They don't care if their beloved hometown club is able to challenge the big clubs like Bayern, whether they win championships or not, they just want to watch them play every weekend and they want the clubs to stay close to their local roots and that's what really matters to them.

Similar to England's culture then.

 

[Yannik]

Similar to England's culture then.

I mean England is equally big on "support your local team" type of stuff. But other than that nah, way different.
England is still a corporate fuckfest, ultra culture isn't a thing, you are not allowed to stand in the stadium and season tickets cost 10 times what they cost in Germany. Germany's fan scene is very involved in political shit regarding the clubs, constantly organizing protests or boycotts even when the Bratwurst-price is raised by 50ct. They put up a resistance against DFL or the clubs whenever they act "out of order", and thus create kind of a balance between club and fan interests that keeps things as they are.

This level of involvement is not present in England. If a club owner wants to further raise ticket pricing to exclude even the last bit of working class from the stadiums then reactions in England would just be outraged Twitter posts, but that's it. Nothing that would actively change anything.

Newcastle was almost taken over by some incredibly shady Saudi blood prince, and majority of their fans actually cheered for all the money being pumped in.
This would be unthinkable of a German club and it's supporters. It's essentially a Red flag, despite the success that it could bring.

Important to note that this however doesn't mean German fans just resign to imcompetetive superiority. Many fans DO want change. But not regarding 50+1.
Almost everyone is on board with salary/fee/agent caps etc. People want to bring the big clubs down, rather than the small clubs up.

 

[Luftstalag14]

I mean England is equally big on "support your local team" type of stuff. But other than that nah, way different.
England is still a corporate fuckfest, ultra culture isn't a thing, you are not allowed to stand in the stadium and season tickets cost 10 times what they cost in Germany. Germany's fan scene is very involved in political shit regarding the clubs, constantly organizing protests or boycotts even when the Bratwurst-price is raised by 50ct. They put up a resistance against DFL or the clubs whenever they act "out of order", and thus create kind of a balance between club and fan interests that keeps things as they are.

This level of involvement is not present in England. If a club owner wants to further raise ticket pricing to exclude even the last bit of working class from the stadiums then reactions in England would just be outraged Twitter posts, but that's it. Nothing that would actively change anything. Many actually even excuse that and say

Newcastle was almost taken over by some incredibly shady Saudi blood prince, and majority of their fans actually cheered for all the money being pumped in.
This would be unthinkable of a German club and it's supporters. It's essentially a Red flag, despite the success that it could bring.

Yup. I think the German football protest culture is getting too extreme though, like Bayern fans protesting of having their third jersey in lime green or having a tint of blue in their home kit or Hoffenheim fans disrupting the game because of their hate on Hopp etc. Too trivial.

Important to note that this however doesn't mean German fans just resign to imcompetetive superiority. Many fans DO want change. But not regarding 50+1.
Almost everyone is on board with salary/fee/agent caps etc. People want to bring the big clubs down, rather than the small clubs up.

That's the problem. In today's age doing so is impossible or impractical, if possible then it will render German football much weaker compared to others. They should think about how to prop up the smaller clubs instead.

 

[serghei]

I mean England is equally big on "support your local team" type of stuff. But other than that nah, way different.
England is still a corporate fuckfest, ultra culture isn't a thing, you are not allowed to stand in the stadium and season tickets cost 10 times what they cost in Germany. Germany's fan scene is very involved in political shit regarding the clubs, constantly organizing protests or boycotts even when the Bratwurst-price is raised by 50ct. They put up a resistance against DFL or the clubs whenever they act "out of order", and thus create kind of a balance between club and fan interests that keeps things as they are.

This level of involvement is not present in England. If a club owner wants to further raise ticket pricing to exclude even the last bit of working class from the stadiums then reactions in England would just be outraged Twitter posts, but that's it. Nothing that would actively change anything.

Newcastle was almost taken over by some incredibly shady Saudi blood prince, and majority of their fans actually cheered for all the money being pumped in.
This would be unthinkable of a German club and it's supporters. It's essentially a Red flag, despite the success that it could bring.

Important to note that this however doesn't mean German fans just resign to imcompetetive superiority. Many fans DO want change. But not regarding 50+1.
Almost everyone is on board with salary/fee/agent caps etc. People want to bring the big clubs down, rather than the small clubs up.

Nice cultural insights. Thanks.

 

[khaled_a_d]

If a club owner wants to further raise ticket pricing to exclude even the last bit of working class from the stadiums then reactions in England would just be outraged Twitter posts, but that's it. Nothing that would actively change anything.

Didn't Liverpool fans stopped raise in their tickets couple of years ago?

 

[Morten]

Dortmund just isn't a serious contender to Bayern.

 

[Yannik]

Dortmund just isn't a serious contender to Bayern.

Not under Favre, Haaland has carried a lot, but the teams flaws have become very evident during his injury.
Leipzig are undoubtly the 2nd best team in Germany.

 

[serghei]

Not under Favre, Haaland has carried a lot, but the teams flaws have become very evident during his injury.
Leipzig are undoubtly the 2nd best team in Germany.

Yeah. But Leipzig can't go the distance with Bayern either... Looks like another league won by around 6 points by Bayern.

I won't be too sad for Barca to get Dortmund in CL.

 

[Yannik]

Yeah. But Leipzig can't go the distance with Bayern either... Looks like another league won by around 6 points by Bayern.

Most likely. But Bayern isn't as strong as people think right now. The defense is arguably worse than Barcas. Neuer has been carrying hard the past 2 months.

 

[serghei]

Most likely. But Bayern isn't as strong as people think right now. The defense is arguably worse than Barcas. Neuer has been carrying hard the past 2 months.

When you support Barca these days, everyone seems stronger than they really are .