Bundesliga

[fergus90]

One thing I’ve found with Nagelsmann teams is they can score a shed load of goals but they are also defensively so vulnerable. His Leipzig team regularly got dealt some heavy thrashings when they had an off day and it’s the same with Bayern.

His system when it works looks great, when it doesn’t it can get messy quickly.

Liverpool on the counter would destroy them.

 

[El Gato]

Read that Burki is gone to MLS in the summer. Do they have a replacement lined up?

Seems the kind of place where MATS would have moved in time.
Otherwise maybe they take Lunin

Edit: Just looked, looks they've got the 24 year old lad. Maybe not then

 

[CatalinR10]

Dortmund already losing 0-2 at home vs Leipzig in first 30 mins



zzzzzzzzz

 

[Andresito]

Dortmund already losing 0-2 at home vs Leipzig in first 30 mins



zzzzzzzzz

Relax, at least 2 goals from Haaland inc

 

[Morten]

Bundesliga is owned by Bayern, just accept it and move on.

 

[Luftstalag14]

And Bayern played 12 outfield players for like 17 seconds or something, potentially could be punished, but Freiburg won't lodge the complaint from what I have seen.

What a league.

 

[Luftstalag14]

As always...

 

[serghei]

As always...

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Isn't it known already?

I mean, just look at the "title decider" from a few years ago, after Dortmund players lose any hope of the league and in the post-match interviews, they laugh it off as, "well, we had a nice time, next year we'll try as well". That was the vibe I was getting from those comments. Nobody was looking or acting as if he was pissed off, everyone was all positive and fun.

Seeing Reus saying that convinced me for good. I'd rather watch Serie A rather than Bundesliga just because the rivalries there actually involve some sort of adversity and competition. The spirit of a competition is being angry at losing and use that to channel your winning mentality to overturn the natural order.

Bundesliga has none of that. Everyone is happy to just play football as if there's no competition and all are playing for fun.

 

[Morten]

And Bayern played 12 outfield players for like 17 seconds or something, potentially could be punished, but Freiburg won't lodge the complaint from what I have seen.

What a league.

The teams in Bundesliga are all okay with Bayern being top dog, wouldn't surprise me if the fans of the other teams actually supports Bayern in the CL.

 

[serghei]

Klopp probably did miracles at Dortmund getting that club to win the title twice in a row. He surely didn't fit in the picture. Probably woke up Bayern too as a result.

 

[Morten]

Klopp probably did miracles at Dortmund getting that club to win the title twice in a row. He surely didn't fit in the picture. Probably woke up Bayern too as a result.

Woke them up he did, for those that didn't follow Bundesliga in the 2000s, its hard to fathom it was actually a competitive league back then, even if Bayern were usually the best.

Now? Bayern runs the show, they don't have any rivals anymore.

 

[Luftstalag14]

Isn't it known already?

I mean, just look at the "title decider" from a few years ago, after Dortmund players lose any hope of the league and in the post-match interviews, they laugh it off as, "well, we had a nice time, next year we'll try as well". That was the vibe I was getting from those comments. Nobody was looking or acting as if he was pissed off, everyone was all positive and fun.

Seeing Reus saying that convinced me for good. I'd rather watch Serie A rather than Bundesliga just because the rivalries there actually involve some sort of adversity and competition. The spirit of a competition is being angry at losing and use that to channel your winning mentality to overturn the natural order.

Bundesliga has none of that. Everyone is happy to just play football as if there's no competition and all are playing for fun.

I think it is true that most teams (especially Dortmund, but not Gladbach as they always put up a great fight against Bayern every time they played them, win or lose) have succumbed to the fact that Bayern will win the league every season, bar anything disastrous or magical happening. But the league is still fun to watch when they play amongst each other, when Bayern is not involved. They run a lot, attack a lot, end to end stuff, extremely entertaining, at least for me, much more so than La Liga or the EPL.

 

[serghei]

Woke them up he did, for those that didn't follow Bundesliga in the 2000s, its hard to fathom it was actually a competitive league back then, even if Bayern were usually the best.

Now? Bayern runs the show, they don't have any rivals anymore.

In the 2nd part of the 00s, the league was wide open as Bayern was shit. About the time when Werder, Wolfsburg won it IIRC. After that Dortmund built a great side thanks due to Klopp, Bayern woke up, dismantled Dortmund like they always do when they get pissed off (Gotze, Lewa, Hummels, basically their 3 best players at the time arguably), and league became their own little backyard again.

I may be mistaken, but they won like 10 in a row since 2013 right? I consider this one won as well.

I think it is true that most teams (especially Dortmund, but not Gladbach as they always put up a great fight against Bayern every time they played them, win or lose) have succumbed to the fact that Bayern will win the league every season, bar anything disastrous or magical happening. But the league is still fun to watch when they play amongst each other, when Bayern is not involved. They run a lot, attack a lot, end to end stuff, extremely entertaining, at least for me, much more so than La Liga or the EPL.

It's fun the same way preseason friendlies are fun. Many nice goals, players doing great stuff because there is no feeling of high pressure in matches and stuff like that.

It's almost too fun to watch because nobody plays with any sort of pressure, you barely ever see Dortmund players really tested and put under some mental pressure (which is why many of their so-called stars flop once they do realize that at some other teams you are actually expected to win, not just be 2nd all the time without any problems). When there is pressure, you see players looking phased and worried. When there is not much involved, everyone is positive and happy.

The work Klopp did with them seems even more impressive watching it back from today. He basically made that club and team rise above their normal capabilities. Instilled winning mentality in those players as well, at least the better of them.

 

[FinBarcelonafan]

The teams in Bundesliga are all okay with Bayern being top dog, wouldn't surprise me if the fans of the other teams actually supports Bayern in the CL.

Sad state for a league. Even in France everyone hates PSG other than Parisians.

 

[messi2140]

And Bayern played 12 outfield players for like 17 seconds or something, potentially could be punished, but Freiburg won't lodge the complaint from what I have seen.

What a league.