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[jamrock]

Nope

Why are all those top coaches in the PL? The PL has the resources to attract the great players and build great squads and a high level league.


When this group of coaches leave the Prem and are washed up, the next generation/group of coaches will be at the PL. By then, they'll be the elite coaches of the world.


For instance, Xabi Alonso is a new young coach with World Class potential. He'll spend his peak in the PL when he'll hopefully be amongst the greatest in the world.


Do you get it? After City, Pep will probably go to a National Team and gradually end his coaching career.



It'll be a constant cycle of the Prem attracting the best coaches in their pomp.

Nope the point is pep and Klopp are unique they are so good they drag the level of the rest of the coaches and entire league up, to keep up with them.

Once they leave their replacements won't be of the same caliber and as such the league will take a step back.

Coaching level will then be more evenly distributed throughout Europe's top leagues.

Why are they in the EPL to answer your question.

Pep-because where else was he going to go.
Klopp because barca and Madrid had coaches they liked at the time.
Emery because he wanted to prove arsenal wrong.
ETH because Barcelona didn't want him.
Arteta wasn't s top coach when he got the job.

 

[Temptation]

Nope


Nope the point is pep and Klopp are unique they are so good they drag the level of the rest of the coaches and entire league up, to keep up with them.

Once they leave their replacements won't be of the same caliber and as such the league will take a step back.

Coaching level will then be more evenly distributed throughout Europe's top leagues.

Why are they in the EPL to answer your question.

Pep-because where else was he going to go.
Klopp because barca and Madrid had coaches they liked at the time.
Emery because he wanted to prove arsenal wrong.
ETH because Barcelona didn't want him.
Arteta wasn't s top coach when he got the job.

It's weird then that Barca never ever had an elite coach in the recent past.



Even Pep was a coach with no credentials when he joined Barca.......



Oh and before Pep and Klopp, the PL had Ferguson, Wenger and Mourinho at their very best. Also had peak Rafa. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and pretend that you just forgot something this obvious.


An all time great like Ancelotti coached a shit club like Everton because it's a PL club. Also coached Chelsea before but that's not a surprise since Chelsea was an elite job back then.


Elite coaches don't come to La Liga. Only Madrid have hired some elite coaches like Mourinho and Ancelotti. Zidane and Simeone were newbies when they got the job.



So where will all the elite coaches of the next generation go? Ofcourse, they'll go to the PL.



Rafa, Ancelotti, Conte(peaked in PL and Serie A), Tuchel, Poch, Pellegrini have all spent their peaks in PL.


It's not even close. PL will always attract the greatest because it's the greatest league on the planet.

 

[serghei]

Why are all those top coaches in the PL? The PL has the resources to attract the great players and build great squads and a high level league.


When this group of coaches leave the Prem and are washed up, the next generation/group of coaches will be at the PL. By then, they'll be the elite coaches of the world.


For instance, Xabi Alonso is a new young coach with World Class potential. He'll spend his peak in the PL when he'll hopefully be amongst the greatest in the world.


Do you get it? After City, Pep will probably go to a National Team and gradually end his coaching career.



It'll be a constant cycle of the Prem attracting the best coaches in their pomp.

Partly true, unless Pep and Klopp go somehere else after their EPL stint. They are outsiders in EPL, it's not their home.

But, if Barca ends up getting sold in the future, and can spend close to a billion on players like EPL teams... and Pep and Klopp are not around anymore in EPL...

It doesn't take a genius to understand that Barca would attract the best players again.

Madrid is the same case and even more since they have the biggest pull out of any team. Mbappe is no1 star and he only is interested to go to Madrid for example. Haaland signed for City mainly due to Pep's allure.

If Madrid and Barca acquire the funds needed to operate at the top... they are main targets again instantly. Madrid already has the funds probably because they didn't have a Bartomeu in charge.

They signed the biggest English star in Bellingham, and gonna sign no1 player also. Only thing Barca lacks to land these types of players too is money. It's not a league problem, but a management and funding problem.

 

[serghei]

Also, Pep is not some manager that can be replaced. His managerial ability is all time great level. From him you can go down either one level if you get the successor right, or a couple of levels if you don't.

Klopp is a bit easier to replace admittedly.

 

[Temptation]

Partly true, unless Pep and Klopp go somehere else after their EPL stint. They are outsiders in EPL, it's not their home.

But, if Barca ends up getting sold in the future, and can spend close to a billion on players like EPL teams... and Pep and Klopp is not around anymore in EPL...

It doesn't take a genius to understand that Barca would attract the best players again.

It doesn't need to be "their home".


They are foreigners who are willing to spend their peaks and an entire decade in that league because they know that they are competing at the highest level of Club Football. They know that it's where club Football peaks. Prem was the best before Klopp and Pep with Ferguson, Wenger and Mourinho dominating the league........


Real and Barca will always attract great players coz they are great clubs. Just like Bayern. But Real and Barca isn't La Liga. The rest of the league and the Football the entire league plays is dire. Awful in terms of entertainment value and hiding behind the label of "we play technical Football unlike other physical leagues"......


What technique? Diving and playacting technique? Hacking players down and not letting the game flow? Shady controversial refereeing and bending over for the big 2 time and again?


The gulf between the top 2 and the rest in La Liga is humongous. It's like those poor clubs can't do anything to compete. Simeone has done a great job to make ATM competitive but even they are not at the same table as the big 2.


The issue with the Liga is from top to bottom. 2 mega clubs thriving has never changed or helped the others. La Liga is just Bundesliga with 2 giant clubs instead of 1 and shite Footy instead of entertaining Football. ATM is the Dorrmund of La Liga; they win a league or two with Simeone just like Dortmund with Klopp and made it to a CL final against the top club of their country(Bayern/Real).........

 

[Temptation]

Also, Pep is not some manager that can be replaced. His managerial ability is all time great level. From him you can go down either one level if you get the successor right, or a couple of levels if you don't.

Klopp is a bit easier to replace admittedly.

Haha people said the same about Ferguson, Mourinho and Wenger.


There will always be stand-out managers in every generation/era.

 

[topt]

@topt where are you?

here, affraid the mods will ban me again

 

[serghei]

Haha people said the same about Ferguson, Mou/inho and Wenger.


There will always be stand-out managers in every generation/era.

Hilarious post .

Even the inclusion of Ferguson, he's actually a good example of a legend that is impossible to replace. Since he retired, United dropped to a top 4 team at best. More like 4-6th level team. Played 0 good CL season since 2012. About 2 decent showings in 12 years, both in EL 2nd tier.

 

[soul24rage]

Can't speak of other La Liga clubs, but Barca has so much politics involved that it drains everyone, especially the managers.

IIRC, Rijkaard is the longest serving manager since 2000

PL is the best league to go if managers want to just focus on football.

 

[serghei]

Can't speak of other La Liga clubs, but Barca has so much politics involved that it drains everyone, especially the managers.

IIRC, Rijkaard is the longest serving manager since 2000

PL is the best league to go if managers want to just focus on football.

A big reason why the ownership model is just better.

If the club could have kept Pep... my god... things would've been so much better long term.

Politics are just bad and ego-oriented. The next board has this unsatiable urge to just make their own story and ditch the previous board's men, even if they achieved huge things.

 

[serghei]

Take Liverpool's last season. A Barca president recently elected would've sacked him and appointed some inferior flavor of the month dude . Their man.

Almost every new board can't wait for the guy of the previous board to hit some trouble to move him on.

It's the nature of politics. Every great thing that is achieved has to be directly related to the new regime. The good of the society, or the club, or the fans, are distant 2nd or 3rd rate objectives.

Barca is a huge club, having the total package imo, except for the rotten politics. It's like a dumbbell tied to our legs.

Ditch the politics and get the right men in charge for as long as possible. Unacceptable for a manager like Guardiola, our legend, to spend 4 years in the club, and 10+ years out of it. There can only be one explanation for this shit.

I want to blame and hate him for this, but in the end I can't.

 

[KingLeo10]

EPL is so "great" that there's never been a time when their top two teams have been dominant AT THE SAME TIME. It's either Pool are jokers or United are.

LL has had that.

Serie A has had that.

 

[Temptation]

Liga is a crap 2 team league so ofcourse the big 2 will still be in top 3/4 at their very worst.


Barca were shite recently and still managed to reach top 4 somehow.


Setien and Koeman's Barca wouldn't even make top 4 in the PL. Neither would Xavi's Barca this season.


Yanited at their worst as a banter club would still make the top 4 in Lol Liga.



Lol Liga fanboys will really moan all season about how crap their league is(rightly so) and then get offended when it's brought up in discussions.


LL is just Bundesliga with 2 elite teams instead of 1 and far worse Football. Getting top 4 in LL is cakewalk from any tier 1/tier 2 European club.


And am saying this as a guy who rates both Real and Barca in the top 3 biggest clubs itw as of today.

 

[Temptation]

Love how everyone here agrees with everything I am saying but just can't admit it because of their inflated egos.


It's cool to be a lil objective and impartial sometimes. I'm a Liverpool fan but I can admit that Barca are a slightly bigger club than us as of now due to reasons I have explained before. It's ok. You don't run Football Club Barcelona or La Liga. It's not your fault!

 

[KingLeo10]

Liga is a crap 2 team league so ofcourse the big 2 will still be in top 3/4 at their very worst.

So 2 team league that B tier LL teams repeatedly slap around Pool and United in European ties.

And the likes of AM and Sevilla have complete dominance over the 2nd tier European competitions historically.

Not to mention Valencia (competing in CL finals v Bayern and RM) and Bilbao (who also slapped around United routinely).

Your seething over anything LL and Barca related is too apparent.