Barcafan 2304
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Me to. Shoot me down in flames but Real Madrid still make more money than us and we should exhaust every avenue to compete financially with them
Catorce
Cruijff's Heir
And thats why we need a new stadium. Marketing is going very well for us, especially in Asia. We are a world-known brand and we have two of the most marketable athletes in Messi and Neymar. But the stadium is outdated and we could do great with a new stadium. Just look at the likes of Bayern, Real, Arsenal and their stadiums.
rixxer
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Whats the noisy murmurs about the condition of the pitch at Camp? There have been several clues spread in the (in english) media but nothing concrete. I thought the pitch was an excellent example for others but now a lot of criticism has emerged from several sources, most recently I read smth about it written by Graham Hinter. Can anybody explain whats wrong?
BarçAjax8
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Why exactly is our stadium "out of date"? The "concrete" exterior color isn't the greatest but it's still the biggest & best stadium in Europe, seating 100k vs 70-80k of Madrid/Bayern.
I know this is football and money is a major part of it but I don't think everything should be for sale. It would be nice to be able to spend freely in the transfer market, but not by selling out to become Camp Qatar. I like that we are a home grown club where majority of our players have been here since they were kids. Barcelona isn't like Chelsea, PSG or ManCity where if a player isn't scoring they just spend another 50 million and bring in another player. Chelsea won the CL and maybe PSG and City will someday as well but nobody outside those cities will respect them because they bought their success.
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Poor_Sunyol
In Lucho we trust!
Why do we have to make as much money as them? We are a football club, we are measured on trophies, not revenue. Madrid have always had more money than us and what good has it done them in the last 15 years or so? Money does not buy you happiness or trophies. We should stick to our philosophy and ideology; we make superstars, not buy them.
XaviMessiGirl
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The horror
I agree. While of course we've done our fair share of splashing out on players, we don't make a living out of it like Madrid has, or what these sugar daddy clubs are doing. I don't want to see Barca turn into that.
What a team needs is enough money, not the most. It would be different if FC Barca was owned by owners motivated by profit. But the FC Barca socios are definitely not in it to make money.
Money is the least of FC Barca's problems, because they have a tremendous amount of it. Of course, they will try to improve revenues, but that is secondary to the most important goals.
There is no reason to think this team would be better with more money. Barca is quite selective in player acquisitions, which works great because at least half of their players come from La Masia. I don't think the team will skimp paying for the new #1 keeper. Only a departure of a key player or a key player having a career ending injury would require adding any other expensive talent at any other position. Barca did need a first rate CB coming into this season, which they have found in Bartra. Maybe add a combo #4FB-#5CB next summer, to replace Montoya. And/or replacements for Pinto, Tello and S. Roberto, to sit on the bench for those positions.
Money is the least of FC Barca's problems, because they have a tremendous amount of it. Of course, they will try to improve revenues, but that is secondary to the most important goals.
There is no reason to think this team would be better with more money. Barca is quite selective in player acquisitions, which works great because at least half of their players come from La Masia. I don't think the team will skimp paying for the new #1 keeper. Only a departure of a key player or a key player having a career ending injury would require adding any other expensive talent at any other position. Barca did need a first rate CB coming into this season, which they have found in Bartra. Maybe add a combo #4FB-#5CB next summer, to replace Montoya. And/or replacements for Pinto, Tello and S. Roberto, to sit on the bench for those positions.
Xtroverto
Member
Ajax has that very philosophy, yet they loose their homegrown players every season because they can't retain them.
To be able to retain players, the club has to be able to pay wages higher than other clubs can offer, players like Iniesta or Messi that turn down offers from other clubs are rare. If in the future Barcelona can not meet the wage demands from a star player, the club will loose not only the player but also street cred, other players will think twice before signng to our club because it is not ambitious enough.
The last 10 years FC Barcelona has been able to front the wage demands, but what will happened when we are to renew Neymar and petro dollar clubs with unlimited funds offer far more than us? Neymar is not emotionally attached to FC Barcelona, he will go to who offer the fattest check. And the next star player after Neymar will be the same story, the club can't meet the wage demands and loose the player.
FC Barcelona fans are blinded because we have not yet lost an important player to a rival club since Figo, but if we can't keep up with United, Real or Bayern, there will be more Figo cases.
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jamrock
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nope we will always be able to pay similar wages to the uniteds of the world, figo didn't leave because we coudn't pay him but because we refused(other than him being a bitch), ronaldo again left because we didn't want to pay him, not couldn't.
what we will never be able to do his pay psg money and that's where our history will work in our favour, much like it will for man utd,real and bayern, because players don't dream of playing for psg when they are young, and that's something you can't buy,
what we will never be able to do his pay psg money and that's where our history will work in our favour, much like it will for man utd,real and bayern, because players don't dream of playing for psg when they are young, and that's something you can't buy,
Catorce
Cruijff's Heir
I wouldn't be so confident. A stadium is a very good source of income without the help of sugardaddies, so I don't see any reason why in the long term we shouldn't move to a new stadium or get a complete overhaul of Camp Nou.
Camp Nou should become a central hub in Barcelona, attracting not only fans but business as well. To provide future entrepreneurs with a good location and a good connection to FC Barcelona we need office space, store space and room for restaurants etc. In the current state Camp Nou cannot provide that, which means the stadium needs a complete overhaul in order to be future-proof. And if we are spending big money any way, I'd rather have us get a new stadium with every little benefit it brings, fully knowing that it means we will have to leave the historical Camp Nou behind. It gives us freedom to completely redesign the stadium from the ground up, not having any problems with the way a previous stadium is built.
Personally I would love to see us getting a more 'closed' stadium, although a retractable roof wouldn't necessarily be my #1 option. Would also love it if the new Camp Nou would have stands in the style of Santiago Bernabeu; more vertical, giving a way more intimidating feel towards the opponents.
Xtroverto
Member
Absolutely not, the club's capacity of generating commercial income is very much a result of sporting success. If the club goes through a period of poor sporting results, then the club will be less attractive on the market. Right now, the FC Barcelona brand is as strong as it has ever been, but it is not a constant, if we don't win titles it will loose in value. Because of that, the club should take every possibility to squeeze out as much marketing money as possible, it this means renaming Camp Nou to Camp Qatar I'm all in for it, in the end if we want to be competitive with the top clubs in Europe we have to stay on top of the financial pyramid.
Players don't care about a club's history, why do you think Marquinhos went to PSG instead of us? If we can't offer competitive salaries, we are never going to compete for the top players, the only ones that care about a club's history are the fans, players doesn't give a shit. Even homegrown players will leave when other clubs offer better deals, we could loose three players this season, Bartra, Montoya and Sergi. I bet you my house that at least one of them will be tempted away with the chechbook.
I forgot to add some things, we are measured on trophies, not revenue, no revenue, no trophies, Ajax loose all their star players every season because they can't keep up with the top clubs in Europe. The reason why FC Barcelona has won so much the last 10 years is exactly because the club generate more money than almost every other club. We can make as many superstar as we like, but if we can't give them the salary they ask for, then we will become the spanish version of Ajax, it is inevitable.
The Madrid comparison is bullshit, they have failed because of short sighted decisions in the boardroom, changing trainers almost every season and buying and selling players like maniacs. It has nothing to do with how much money they generate, that club is run by corporate idiots with zero understanding of how to build a successfull team.
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jamrock
Senior Member
@catorce, didn't mean we shouldn't overhaul the stadium, just saying again, real, man utd or Bayern will never have much more money that us unless we go crazy or something.
@ players not caring about a clubs history and then using Marquinhos as a example, we didn't get him because we refused to pay what roma wanted and if we did we wouldn't have match psg's wages.
if a player the option of barca/real/man utd/Bayern all things being equal or city/psg/Monaco, only one set of teams will win that 9/10. history matters, kids grow up dream of playing for certain teams
@ players not caring about a clubs history and then using Marquinhos as a example, we didn't get him because we refused to pay what roma wanted and if we did we wouldn't have match psg's wages.if a player the option of barca/real/man utd/Bayern all things being equal or city/psg/Monaco, only one set of teams will win that 9/10. history matters, kids grow up dream of playing for certain teams
Xtroverto
Member
That is a very naive view, there are so many examples in recent history of players going for $$$ rather than some historic club. Why do you think clubs like Chelsea, PSG, City or Monaco can attract top players? Why do you think Aguero play in the Premier League equivalent of Espanyol, when he could have signed to any of the historic top clubs i Europe?
The whole notion of a player growing up dreaming of playing for a club and then picking that club over others, that is complete f***ing bullshit. And even more so in Spain where every player signed to a club is told to kiss the crest and state their unconditional love for that club
And then some random jackass journalist work overtime to digg up some video or said player when 10 years old, stating his desire to play for that club 
Players priorities today are, 1 $$$, 2 play in the Champions League, 3 sign to a rich club, sometime we get the reverse of 2 and 3 when a player prefer a rich club over Champions League as in the case of Falcao.
Let's, take Neymar for example, he was going to sign to Real Madrid, they had everyting going for them, he had already been at the club before which is perfect for Real Madrid selling him as a natural born Merengue, his agent work for Real Madrid, and he had already finalised all negotioations, enter Rosell, he put 40 million on the table and Neymar goes, cash is king, F*** Real and sign to the rival.
If he had really cared for a club's history, he would have signed to Real Madrid 11 times out of 10, because in that department FC Barcelona can not compete with Real Madrid.
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Kerrybai
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Why exactly is our stadium "out of date"? The "concrete" exterior color isn't the greatest but it's still the biggest & best stadium in Europe, seating 100k vs 70-80k of Madrid/Bayern.
I know this is football and money is a major part of it but I don't think everything should be for sale. It would be nice to be able to spend freely in the transfer market, but not by selling out to become Camp Qatar. I like that we are a home grown club where majority of our players have been here since they were kids. Barcelona isn't like Chelsea, PSG or ManCity where if a player isn't scoring they just spend another 50 million and bring in another player. Chelsea won the CL and maybe PSG and City will someday as well but nobody outside those cities will respect them because they bought their success.
We could increase our revenue with more Suites and VIP facilities. Also the concourses and other facilities are out of date. A stadium should make money 7 days a week, not just on matchdays. It would benefit from more corporate and hosting facilities. It could also use a roof.
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