Camp Nou

[Irish_Cules]

The roof:

Exterior:

It looks good. The roof should help to improve the atmosphere inside the stadium as well.

 

[Kerrybai]

I'm with Razor on this, we are not still Barcelona in light of the depths we've sunk to of late

Money rules football, we will be left behind if we cling to our 'principles.' It would be great to remove Qatar from our jerseys etc but we can't keep up with the big money clubs if we refuse to change, especially with a stadium renovation on the way. Madrid are selling the naming rights to their stadium for huge amounts of money, we'll need to do the same to keep up with them.

Anyway the images shown here are not the stadium design. Just an example,

 

[Chainsaw]

Money rules football, we will be left behind if we cling to our 'principles.' It would be great to remove Qatar from our jerseys etc but we can't keep up with the big money clubs if we refuse to change, especially with a stadium renovation on the way. Madrid are selling the naming rights to their stadium for huge amounts of money, we'll need to do the same to keep up with them.

Anyway the images shown here are not the stadium design. Just an example,

Money is not the only thing that rules football. If to some people money was or "is" the only thing that does then you are right. Unless it could actually kills the soul of this game. I do not like any of this Qatar crap on either the jersey or the stadium name, no matter how much money Barca could gets for that. English clubs can rub all of that on their clubs, I couldn't care less. Just keep Barca out of this.

 

[JamDav1982]

Money is not the only thing that rules football. If to some people money was or "is" the only thing that does then you are right. Unless it could actually kills the soul of this game. I do not like any of this Qatar crap on either the jersey or the stadium name, no matter how much money Barca could gets for that. English clubs can rub all of that on their clubs, I couldn't care less. Just keep Barca out of this.

That's fine and is your opinion but Barcelona is a club all about the members and those who the team represents.

Those people have voted for these changes and that's what matters.

The club and what it stands for is always evolving and always has and always will. If you have been to the stadium you will know how dated it is in comparison to others.

 

[Catorce]

Money is not the only thing that rules football. If to some people money was or "is" the only thing that does then you are right. Unless it could actually kills the soul of this game. I do not like any of this Qatar crap on either the jersey or the stadium name, no matter how much money Barca could gets for that. English clubs can rub all of that on their clubs, I couldn't care less. Just keep Barca out of this.

In the end, money is all that matters to bring success and good football to our club. If gives us the chance to have a great academy with the best coaches, keeping youngsters here and paying them to withstand the pressure from the English clubs (if only finally in Spain you can give them a contract at 16... Like in every other normal country in Europe), buying players that will improve our squad. All in all, you need the money to bring to the pitch your thought on how football should be played. Very naive to really believe it's about something else. I don't say I like it, but it's a reality we have to deal with.

 

[Kerrybai]

In the end, money is all that matters to bring success and good football to our club. If gives us the chance to have a great academy with the best coaches, keeping youngsters here and paying them to withstand the pressure from the English clubs (if only finally in Spain you can give them a contract at 16... Like in every other normal country in Europe), buying players that will improve our squad. All in all, you need the money to bring to the pitch your thought on how football should be played. Very naive to really believe it's about something else. I don't say I like it, but it's a reality we have to deal with.

Well put, we have the highest wage bill in the world and la masia won't always produce Messi's and xavi's etc. The oil clubs have completely screwed transfer prices pushing players like Falcao to ridiculous prices. Spain has seen a huge exodus of players so of we want to conpete with the likes of PSG etc we need to open ourselves to as much money as possible.

Just look at Dortmund, great team, great fans, great manager but not enough money, and as a result they have had their team torn apart.


Competing with Madrid is a very tough task abc they have no qualms about selling their soul for money.

 

[DennyCrane]

Well put, we have the highest wage bill in the world and la masia won't always produce Messi's and xavi's etc. The oil clubs have completely screwed transfer prices pushing players like Falcao to ridiculous prices. Spain has seen a huge exodus of players so of we want to conpete with the likes of PSG etc we need to open ourselves to as much money as possible.

Just look at Dortmund, great team, great fans, great manager but not enough money, and as a result they have had their team torn apart.


Competing with Madrid is a very tough task abc they have no qualms about selling their soul for money.

And neither does Barca, apparently.

But above all, I don't see how putting the club into a financial dependancy of a corporation owned by a family of autocrats is a sound solution. And I'm not only talking about the stadium; because 'clubs own money' translates to 'money we will hopefully get from sponsorship deals but which we don't actually have'. If Madrid or some other clubs like to build on sand a lot, they're welcome. Barca should keep out of this game.

It's actually a miracle that we still don't have a halfway balanced budget; considering how TV money is distributed in Spain, our recent sponsorship endeavors and an ever increasing fanbase with money to spent on merchandise and stuff one would think that we can get by without a more-than-50 % outside financing for measures like this. It's time for a change in management.

 

[FCBarca]

Money rules football, we will be left behind if we cling to our 'principles.' It would be great to remove Qatar from our jerseys etc but we can't keep up with the big money clubs if we refuse to change, especially with a stadium renovation on the way. Madrid are selling the naming rights to their stadium for huge amounts of money, we'll need to do the same to keep up with them.

Anyway the images shown here are not the stadium design. Just an example,

That's sheep mentality, Kerry...Integrity is staying true to your principles, particularly when everyone else has abandoned them...And this is Barcelona, Més que en club

I realize the club had to adapt to modern football and how money is dictating everything (Mirroring the corporate world we live in) but look at the descent...Sponsors on the front of the kit, on the inside of it, now the stadium rights and soon Blaugrana spirit will be packaged and sold like a commodity...I'm originally American and I got tired of how much money was killing professional sports there, ruined many a game, for me...Sadly, I see it happening in football now as well and at some point clubs are going to have to maintain their identity rather than transform into a machine that will be hard to differentiate from one mega corporation or another

 

[JamDav1982]

And neither does Barca, apparently.

But above all, I don't see how putting the club into a financial dependancy of a corporation owned by a family of autocrats is a sound solution. And I'm not only talking about the stadium; because 'clubs own money' translates to 'money we will hopefully get from sponsorship deals but which we don't actually have'. If Madrid or some other clubs like to build on sand a lot, they're welcome. Barca should keep out of this game.

It's actually a miracle that we still don't have a halfway balanced budget; considering how TV money is distributed in Spain, our recent sponsorship endeavors and an ever increasing fanbase with money to spent on merchandise and stuff one would think that we can get by without a more-than-50 % outside financing for measures like this. It's time for a change in management.

How do you propose the club compete and build for the future without sponsorship deals?

As for blaming the management these decisions have been put to the members and approved.

The club is about what these members want it is their club.

Some people seem to think the club is built on some kind of mythical ideology that should never change. But the fact is times have changed and where ths may have been able to stick to certain principles such as no shirt sponsorship etc in the past it will be much more difficult in the future.

If the members don't like the new stadium or how it will be finances then they can vote against it or if they don't like the management they can look to remove them.

 

[JamDav1982]

That's sheep mentality, Kerry...Integrity is staying true to your principles, particularly when everyone else has abandoned them...And this is Barcelona, Més que en club

I realize the club had to adapt to modern football and how money is dictating everything (Mirroring the corporate world we live in) but look at the descent...Sponsors on the front of the kit, on the inside of it, now the stadium rights and soon Blaugrana spirit will be packaged and sold like a commodity...I'm originally American and I got tired of how much money was killing professional sports there, ruined many a game, for me...Sadly, I see it happening in football now as well and at some point clubs are going to have to maintain their identity rather than transform into a machine that will be hard to differentiate from one mega corporation or another

None of that will or has happened without the support of the membere. THEY make the decisions.

You can sit hundreds of miles away and spout off as if you are some true cule. Yet the actual people who own the club and choose what it represents for them appear to think very differently.

 

[DennyCrane]

How do you propose the club compete and build for the future without sponsorship deals?

As for blaming the management these decisions have been put to the members and approved.

The club is about what these members want it is their club.

Some people seem to think the club is built on some kind of mythical ideology that should never change. But the fact is times have changed and where ths may have been able to stick to certain principles such as no shirt sponsorship etc in the past it will be much more difficult in the future.

If the members don't like the new stadium or how it will be finances then they can vote against it or if they don't like the management they can look to remove them.

1. And you think that the members fully understood what they voted for, including the fine print and legalese ? Did they think about what happens if one of the sponsors goes bankrupt and we're in for a long period contract etc. pp. ? I'd like to believe that, I really do, but experience says otherwise.

On top of that, I generally disagree with the assumption inherent to your post that because a procedure went according to formal rules means that it's correct in substance. But I respect your opinion.

2. You misunderstood. I'm not strictly against sponsorship; I just don't think that this particular deal, or the QA/QF deal, are financially sound due to multiple potential risks.

 

[JamDav1982]

1. And you think that the members fully understood what they voted for, including the fine print and legalese ? Did they think about what happens if one of the sponsors goes bankrupt and we're in for a long period contract etc. pp. ? I'd like to believe that, I really do, but experience says otherwise.

On top of that, I generally disagree with the assumption inherent to your post that because a procedure went according to formal rules means that it's correct in substance. But I respect your opinion.

2. You misunderstood. I'm not strictly against sponsorship; I just don't think that this particular deal, or the QA/QF deal, are financially sound due to multiple potential risks.

I would assume that the members knew what they were voting for, everything was there for them to look at. If they feel duped then they can do something about it. However it doesn't seem that they think that.

Sponsors going bankrupt? There is no chance of that happening and even if it did do you think they would still be allowed to sponsor the team/stadium without paying?

No idea what you mean about the sponsorship and 'multiple potential risks' .

 

[DennyCrane]

I would assume that the members knew what they were voting for, everything was there for them to look at. If they feel duped then they can do something about it. However it doesn't seem that they think that.

Sponsors going bankrupt? There is no chance of that happening and even if it did do you think they would still be allowed to sponsor the team/stadium without paying?

No idea what you mean about the sponsorship and 'multiple potential risks' .

The problem isn't whether they'd be allowed sponsoring - The club could remove all logos, banners etc and be done with it if the sponsor doesn't pay.

The problems arise when the club depends on their money to pay the rent + interest on the loan the club will have to take for the structural measures because of the required advance money.
Another point is that the club will have to build up reserves for that case and to bring up the necessary proprietary capital which will cut into our budget, which then will necessarily influence the wages and transfer budgets.

And corporations in general go bankrupt all the time, and always will be.

We'll probably just have to agree to disagree on this.

 

[JamDav1982]

The problem isn't whether they'd be allowed sponsoring - The club could remove all logos, banners etc and be done with it if the sponsor doesn't pay.

The problems arise when the club depends on their money to pay the rent + interest on the loan the club will have to take for the structural measures because of the required advance money.
Another point is that the club will have to build up reserves for that case and to bring up the necessary proprietary capital which will cut into our budget, which then will necessarily influence the wages and transfer budgets.

And corporations in general go bankrupt all the time, and always will be.

We'll probably just have to agree to disagree on this.

No chance will the Qatar sponsorship will fail due to them not being able to pay and if they did it would probably work in the clubs favour as they would most likely be able to negotiate a better deal elsewhere.

You say you are not against sponsorship so what kind would you feel comfortable with? As all would come into the criteria you point out.

Do you think the stadium should be left the way it is?

 

[serghei]

Principles first, money second. We won the sextuple mostly with our former cantera players, when the other teams we're speding the big bucks buying players. The Camp Nou looks fine to me, not all stadiums have to be mall-arenas.