Chadi Riad

[jamrock]

Question is what better CB would they her for 7.5m.

Maybe having him will help them secure a higher position in the league next season and go a bit further in the EL.

Making them more than 7.5.

Unless they plan to just taken Faye on loan lol.

 

[Porque]

From our perspective we should see that this player is generating EPL interest so we could perhaps build his value, if we don't see him having a Barca future.

It's true that at some stage we may have to make a Faye/Chadi decision, but I don't think that factors into the clubs decisions with Xavi given he hasn't shown to be favourable to either. Prefers his Inigo, Eric, Pau types.

 

[Messi983]

If we brought him back and sold him to Palace ourselves, we would make 15m and not 10m

That's assuming we would be able to sell him for 18m which is doubtful. More likely we would get something like 12m and some (hard to be achieved) variables so eventually would probably benefit the same (but would waste time for negotiations and probably also money for agents fees etc.).

I think sometimes it's better we let other teams do negotiations for us because we mostly suck at those.

 

[Porque]

That's assuming we would be able to sell him for 18m which is doubtful. More likely we would get something like 12m and some (hard to be achieved) variables so eventually would probably benefit the same (but would waste time for negotiations and probably also money for agents fees etc.).

I think sometimes it's better we let other teams do negotiations for us because we mostly suck at those.

It's good short term money no doubt. In the case of Abde this type of deal worked out well as the player would evidently have tanked in value had we kept him around.

I think Chadi could have a function in the squad next year and provides coverage to allow for a bigger sale while the release of Inigo (who Xavi is clearly trying to influence by consistently playing lately) and Alonso.

And also to put to bed the idea of Flat Eric returning. So in that sense, he could be a 25-35m rated player for us in a years time if we have him on the 1500 minutes that Inigo achieved.

 

[jamrock]

Or maybe we go with plan E.

Sell Araujo for 80m
Bring back Chadi
Move Kounde to CB
Buy a RB for around 30M.
DM for 50-60m

Absolutely no one at the club is thinking that complex lol.

Kounde Christensen cubarsi,Chadi, faye. Martinez

Ain't half bad

Edit, actually I'd loan out faye to girona.

 

[khaled_a_d]

I rate Chdi higher than any CB we have other than Christensen and Araujo (assuming Kounde is RB) but I doubt the club shares same opinion.
So, unless Araujo is sold, he will be far behind in picking order and it makes sense for everyone to do the deal. Chadi himself won't come here to be 4th option.
Now if Araujo is sold, and Christensen is moved to CDM, we could use him back.
Problem is we don't have a buy option this season. So Betis can told us to either pay the CP money or accept the deal.
Betis will be the one in control, not us

 

[Messi983]

It's good short term money no doubt. In the case of Abde this type of deal worked out well as the player would evidently have tanked in value had we kept him around.

I think Chadi could have a function in the squad next year and provides coverage to allow for a bigger sale while the release of Inigo (who Xavi is clearly trying to influence by consistently playing lately) and Alonso.

And also to put to bed the idea of Flat Eric returning. So in that sense, he could be a 25-35m rated player for us in a years time if we have him on the 1500 minutes that Inigo achieved.

Good points.

But 10-15m in current situation is probably worth more to us than 25-30m in 2-3 years. Obviously if kept we would also have to take his performances into account but I don't see Chadi as player who would win us games let alone titles on his own (ofc not entirely his fault but CBs will just never be rated as highly as great strikers or GKs for example).

He could put up some good performances but not establish himself as a long term starter so would eventually be sold and in the end we would have to compare his current value to potential future value (best case scenario because his value could easily drop as well).

 

[Messi983]

I rate Chdi higher than any CB we have other than Christensen and Araujo (assuming Kounde is RB) but I doubt the club shares same opinion.
So, unless Araujo is sold, he will be far behind in picking order and it makes sense for everyone to do the deal. Chadi himself won't come here to be 4th option.
Now if Araujo is sold, and Christensen is moved to CDM, we could use him back.
Problem is we don't have a buy option this season. So Betis can told us to either pay the CP money or accept the deal.
They will be the one in control, not us

Yes but I think club's plan was always to make money on Chadi rather than bring him back.

And that was before Cubarsi's breakthrough, now I think they see him as even more expendable.

Only time will tell if that was a good decision or not.


also, let's say:

Chadi - 10m profit
Eric - 6-8m profit
Todibo - 8-10m profit (will reportedly be sold to EPL for 40-50m and we get 20% of transfer fee)

If we could get around 25-30m for three CBs that were not here last season that would be a good business.

 

[khaled_a_d]

Yes but I think club's plan was always to make money on Chadi rather than bring him back.

And that was before Cubarsi's breakthrough, now I think they see him as even more expendable.

Only time will tell if that was a good decision or not.

That is the same way I see it tbh. I don't feel the club rates Chadi high enough to pay to get him back and integrate him to the team.

This type of deal with Betis is always about making cash, while giving them incentive to develop a player as they become partners in deals.

I am pointing out to the scenario of trying to get him back, that in itself is difficult one.

 

[Andresito]

We could just pay Betis 7.5m if we want him. They would make a 7.5m profit either way since half of the Crystal Palace money goes to us.

 

[Messi983]

I am pointing out to the scenario of trying to get him back, that in itself is difficult one.

Question is if that's actually the club or just Xavi's preference though. If Xavi is sacked next week could Deco and whoever next coach will be maybe rate Chadi higher?

Or could they think about selling Araujo and see Chadi as potential replacement?

Ofc this whole debate is irrelevant if we don't have buy-back before 2025 so we can't do anything if Betis decide to sell now.

 

[Messi983]

We could just pay Betis 7.5m if we want him. They would make a 7.5m profit either way since half of the Crystal Palace money goes to us.

Not how things work imo. For example, Betis could negotiate 30% of future fee with CP so long term they would get far more.

 

[Co0ter]

Or maybe we go with plan E.

Sell Araujo for 80m
Bring back Chadi
Move Kounde to CB
Buy a RB for around 30M.
DM for 50-60m

Absolutely no one at the club is thinking that complex lol.

Kounde Christensen cubarsi,Chadi, faye. Martinez

Ain't half bad

Edit, actually I'd loan out faye to girona.

This seems like a decent way to go about it. Araujo had an off year for sure, but unless Chadi has a lot of speed I'm unaware of, we'd be missing a CB with pace and that's the one thing Araujo gave us that is invaluable. He bailed us out a lot with that speed in the past, despite his poor form this season. Faye appears to be athletic, but would probably benefit from a loan like you said if he wont get regular minutes in the first team.

I'd also not have confidence in the board/Xavi to bring in a useful RB for only 30mil. I actually don't want Xavi signing anyone, really.

 

[jamrock]

This seems like a decent way to go about it. Araujo had an off year for sure, but unless Chadi has a lot of speed I'm unaware of, we'd be missing a CB with pace and that's the one thing Araujo gave us that is invaluable. He bailed us out a lot with that speed in the past, despite his poor form this season. Faye appears to be athletic, but would probably benefit from a loan like you said if he wont get regular minutes in the first team.

I'd also not have confidence in the board/Xavi to bring in a useful RB for only 30mil. I actually don't want Xavi signing anyone, really.

Yea I agree re the athletism factor of Araujo Is the biggest reason why he's our most important defender, Kounde isn't slow or weak, but Araujo is just a physical monster, only Faye looks similar of all the CBs we have, so selling Araujo is a risk, but I think Kounde would explode at CB if given a run of games, he's class at Sevilla wasn't a fluke.

Xavi shouldn't be hand picking players, but i'm sure there is a top quality RB out there somewhere we can sign for 30m euros or less

Frimpong's buyout is 40m euros, not that I think we'd be in for him, even though we should be.

 

[Co0ter]

Yea I agree re the athletism factor of Araujo Is the biggest reason why he's our most important defender, Kounde isn't slow or weak, but Araujo is just a physical monster, only Faye looks similar of all the CBs we have, so selling Araujo is a risk, but I think Kounde would explode at CB if given a run of games, he's class at Sevilla wasn't a fluke.

Xavi shouldn't be hand picking players, but i'm sure there is a top quality RB out there somewhere we can sign for 30m euros or less

Frimpong's buyout is 40m euros, not that I think we'd be in for him, even though we should be.

"Frimpong has pace, dribbling and balls. He can beat defenders and get into the box. We havent had that since early Alves. Meunier is already 30 and he's average going forward and not great defensively. Flushing money down the toilet. At least you get someone who is effective going forward in..."

Post from August 2022.

40mil is still a steal for his quality if the buyout is true, considering you could spend 30mil on someone that is only a fraction as good. After the season he's had though, you can guarantee his next buyout fee will be astronomical unless he demands it otherwise.