Champions League 2024-25

Who will win?

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Rassvet

Rassvet

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Atletico's CL luck since 2014 has been pretty brutal. Would be pretty sad if it happened to a more likeable or exciting team.

Still a long way for it to happen but if Madrid actually go through City, Atletico, Arsenal, PSG, and Bayern/Barca to win it, they should just scrap the competition and make a separate one for everyone else.
 
companyofcules

companyofcules

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Andresito said:
There are even multiple Barca fans here who know the correct decision was made. Why the fuck would anyone bother defending Madrid if it wasn't right? People just sound like sore losers.

It was bad luck for Atleti. The rule will now rightfully be checked and see if it can be altered so it can be retaken, but why would a double touch warrant a retake but not a Terry esque simple slip then? Both are undeliberate, one just happens to touch the ball an extra time. Besides, this happens extremely rarely so the rule change probably won't matter in our lifetime anyway.
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Yes yes. There is no proof or law but it was correct
 
serghei

serghei

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Rassvet said:
Atletico's CL luck since 2014 has been pretty brutal. Would be pretty sad if it happened to a more likeable or exciting team.

Still a long way for it to happen but if Madrid actually go through City, Atletico, Arsenal, PSG, and Bayern/Barca to win it, they should just scrap the competition and make a separate one for everyone else.
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Enough of this let's see Madrid vs Bayern, Liverpool, Atletico etc. Let's see two teams that beat each other over 100 times face each other in CL.

This is the match-up we need to see far more often in CL. Not twice in decades. Absolutely laughable that the two biggest clubs in the world faced each other only in 2001-02 and 2010-11 since the CL format was put into place in early 90s. That's twice in 35 years ffs.

One of the best things about this new format is that it removes that bullshit rule about clubs from the same countries not being able to meet until very late in the competition.

I imagine clasicos in CL are gonna happen far more frequently from now on.
 
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KingLeo10

KingLeo10

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serghei said:
Enough of this let's see Madrid vs Bayern, Liverpool, Atletico etc. Let's see two teams that beat each other over 100 times face each other in CL.

This is the match-up we need to see far more often in CL. Not twice in decades. Absolutely laughable that the two biggest clubs in the world faced each other only in 2001-02 and 2010-11 since the CL format was put into place in early 90s. That's twice in 35 years ffs.

One of the best things about this new format is that it removes that bullshit rule about clubs from the same countries not being able to meet until very late in the competition.

I imagine clasicos in CL are gonna happen far more frequently from now on.
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Barca - RM is the greatest team rivalry in any sport.

Two biggest clubs in the most popular sport on the planet, by far.

All the GOATs have played for these clubs. Both have unique achievements. Most winning club (RM) versus team with highest peaks (all 5 of our CLs are European doubles, 2 trebles etc.)

Extremely even H2H. It's basically 50-50 with 100+ wins for each side. Rarely draws or boring games.

We should be seeing this match up often in the CL, wholly agree.
 
serghei

serghei

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I don't like combining sports and rivalries, but as far as football is concerned, Barca vs Madrid is the most important rivalry because of its complexity. You have a different approach in almost everything, while both being elite at what they do following their own separate paths until they face each other and we see who wins.

Even with how these two teams tackled the reworks of their own stadiums... you wouldn't see two completely different designs like with New Bernabeu and New Camp Nou. Just the yin and yang of football.
 
serghei

serghei

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There's the political rivalry (regalists vs separatists), the rivalry of pragmatism vs romanticism in terms of how they see the game (so called winning at all cost vs winning on our own terms), rivarly of homegrown talents vs acquired superstars from all over the world, rivalry of stadium designs, rivalry of tactical approach (mostly positional football vs transitions based football), rivalry between individual star players aspiring for the same individual accolades, battle for popularity and cool factor and so on.

Most rivalries only tick half of those boxes.
 
MonteCuler

MonteCuler

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Let's assume Alvarez indeed touched the ball twice (it's extremely controversial):

1) Do you think referees were really capable of giving proper judgement on this situation with absolute certainity (which they have to do) in about 20 seconds they were checking the videos?

2) Do you see the point at which Alvarez touched the ball with your eyes, or do you just base it on ball's trajectory and his feet proximity to the ball?

3) Basic rule of football is don't overrule if in doubt. How come nobody is in doubt if there is no visual proof Alvarez touched the ball or sensors to back it up? His feet might have slipped under the ball shortly after he shot it and that's actually how it looks to me, that would also explain Alvarez saying he didn't feel the second touch at all.
 
MonteCuler

MonteCuler

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Also, maybe the most important thing is and Atletico stated it in their official statement to UEFA.

There are two conditions to be met in this case for the pen to be completely nullified and not retaken. First is he has to touch the ball twice and second is the ball has to clearly move.

Assume the first condition is true; Alvarez touched it twice. Second condition is definitely not, ball didn't clearly move before being shot. Even UEFA indirectly confirmed this, saying the touch was minimal.

So the penalty should have been retaken, not nullified. A lot of referees and football lawyers supported Atletico's stance on this.
 
Windhook

Windhook

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My opinion is there's a minimal touch, but the rule itself is stupid. A player can score with his butt, if he wants to. It's not like Alvarez dribbled his way to the goalline.
 
serghei

serghei

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MonteCuler said:
There are two conditions to be met in this case for the pen to be completely nullified and not retaken. First is he has to touch the ball twice and second is the ball has to clearly move.
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This is in the rules? If the ball doesn't change direction from the double touch the pen is retaken, not considered a miss?
 
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