Champions League 2024-25

[serghei]

My opinion is there's a minimal touch, but the rule itself is stupid. A player can score with his butt, if he wants to. It's not like Alvarez dribbled his way to the goalline.

That's what I said also. The rule is completely idiotic. Its only purpose should be to stop a player from basically dribbling the keeper from the penalty spot.

No player would do a double touch since a double touch like that of Alvarez increases your chances of missing the pen. So the intentional part is quite key here. If I pass it to myself and use it to trick the keeper, that's obviously intentional and rule should be enforced.

 

[Windhook]

That's what I said also. The rule is completely idiotic. It's only purpose should be to stop a player from basically dribbling the keeper from the penalty spot.

No player would do a double touch since a double touch like that of Alvarez increases your chances of missing the pen. So the intentional part is quite key here. If I pass it to myself and use it to trick the keeper, that's obviously intentional and rule should be enforced.

What would make justice served at this situation is the penalty to be retaken. Not this.

 

[MonteCuler]

This is in the rules? If the ball doesn't change direction from the double touch the pen is retaken, not considered a miss?

I have been looking for a direct proof in UEFA rules but haven't really been able to find them nor the specific rules that regard pk shootouts, so not sure if it's 100℅ in the rules. That's why I said maybe.

But like I said Atletico said it in their statement so doubt it's baseless and also a lot of referees said the same, probably a background behind their belief if they all say the same thing

But don't take it for granted it could be someone from Atletico fabricated this as well although I highly doubt it, Atletico themselves doesn't seem to care so much about the decision despite mostly not being sure if it's correct

 

[serghei]

What would make justice served at this situation is the penalty to be retaken. Not this.

I would let the goal personally. Or the miss. Alvarez is unlucky he slips, then lucky it still goes in. Let the luck dictate, don't intervene during the lucky-unlucky duel.

 

[soul24rage]

What would make justice served at this situation is the penalty to be retaken. Not this.

Exactly this.

Pens are retaken if the GKs are not on the line, why can't double-kicks penalties?

Ridiculous rule.

 

[serghei]

I wouldn't retake them because Alvarez is not completely faultless there. I have seen former players in TV shows before this incident that spoke many times how important the planted foot is in pens to have a clean and reliable dispatch of the ball.

So, it's an event that is known to happen for strikers. It's part of a good pk, so should not be retaken imo. If you hit it uncleanly for any reason, you lose control and let things unfold freely.

 

[Windhook]

I wouldn't retake them because Alvarez is not completely faultless there. I have seen former players in TV shows before this incident that spoke many times how important the planted foot is in pens to have a clean and reliable dispatch of the ball.

So, it's an event that is known to happen for strikers.

We're talking about the rule, not X player and Y goalkeeper here.

In fact it would have put a lot of pressure on Alvarez to repeat his shot against towering Courtois.

 

[serghei]

We're talking about the rule, not X player and Y goalkeeper here.

Yes, the rule. For me, if double touch is not intentional, the outcome of the penalty stands, miss or goal and the ref doesn't intervene. I'd make it like that.

 

[RedxMAK]

I don't like combining sports and rivalries, but as far as football is concerned, Barca vs Madrid is the most important rivalry because of its complexity. You have a different approach in almost everything, while both being elite at what they do following their own separate paths until they face each other and we see who wins.

Even with how these two teams tackled the reworks of their own stadiums... you wouldn't see two completely different designs like with New Bernabeu and New Camp Nou. Just the yin and yang of football.

There's the political rivalry (regalists vs separatists), the rivalry of pragmatism vs romanticism in terms of how they see the game (so called winning at all cost vs winning on our own terms), rivarly of homegrown talents vs acquired superstars from all over the world, rivalry of stadium designs, rivalry of tactical approach (mostly positional football vs transitions based football), rivalry between individual star players aspiring for the same individual accolades, battle for popularity and cool factor and so on.

Most rivalries only tick half of those boxes.

The two greatest sporting instituitions of all time, it truly is the greatest rivalry in all of sports, perhaps you could say the greatest rivalry in all forms of art and culture. It really is a shame they only played twice in the modern era of the Champions League.

 

[serghei]

Or you can repeat it only if the goal is scored. If there's a miss, pen stands. Meaning you can't score with a double touch PK, but you can miss.

 

[Porque]

This penalty should have stood.

But if the rules were to be amended because of it, then any double touch penalty should be re-taken.

Because otherwise you are entering the subjectivity of intention, and what qualifies as such. Which is a bigger can of worms

But really, thousands of penalties and then this incident happens. The sample size is so huge that you can't really take the two touch rule and say it should apply here. It is bogus really.

 

[Windhook]

Or you can repeat it only if the goal is scored. If there's a miss, pen stands. Meaning you can't score with a double touch PK, but you can miss.

Of course, mate. If you miss the spot, nobody gives a fuck even if you used AI to send the ball to the Moon. The issue is Alvarez slipped and scored a great penalty goal IMO.

 

[serghei]

Of course, mate. If you miss the spot, nobody gives a fuck even if you used AI to send the ball to the Moon.

Yeah, I'd be fine with any of the two: retaken if scored or no intervention. Certainly not what happened.

 

[Porque]

Its alternative universe.

Imagine the same slip happens with Vinicius and the referee rejects the goal.

Does that make him racist?

 

[Windhook]

Its alternative universe.

Imagine the same slip happens with Vinicius and the referee rejects the goal.

Does that make him racist?

The ball was made by the Nazis back at Adidas.