Champions League
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This forum's obsession with the concept of "lucky draws" will always be puzzling to me. First, everybody was freaking out because Madrid "got lucky" by drawing Chelsea, now Chelsea were the lucky ones because they drew Madrid..?
It's asinine to claim both finalists benefited from luck to get to the final of a knockout tournament. Who exactly were they supposed to face and why didn't those teams make to the advanced stages if they were that good?
Fati_Future_BallonDor
Well-known member
El Gato
Villarato!
That's more so because people don't know how to rate teams rather than the concept of good/bad luck on a draw.
Every idiot under the sun claimed RM has a clear way to the final just because they avoided PSG, City and Bayern. Trouble is they also had absolutely zero clue about Chelsea and how well they'd match up against the others. And some of it is understandable, you won't know for sure until you see it, but all signs were there for Chelsea being a winner.
malvolio
Senior Member
Don't know mate. Not Dortmund, Porto or Gladbach? And I was referring to the competition format in general, while using the finalists as examples.
In a Super League you would have to play teams of the same calibre all year round. In my opinion that's a better reflection of a team's strength. Not fucking around in some groups vs EL teams and then playing 6 KO matches that are largely influenced by other factors.
Every format is affected by different sets of factors. Being able to grind out results throughout a long league season doesn't mean you're the best team quality-wise either.
If that were the case, we would be rating Mancini's Inter higher than Ancelotti's Milan.
Birdy
Senior Member
Nope.
Format is the factor behind luck.
Maybe you can never exterminate luck from matching between teams, but you can minimize it.
In a League where the league position determines also who you would face in the knock-outs, like the way it works in basketball, is the format that minimizes luck of matching (which is luck of draw in CL)
Knock-out games can always be one-offs, that's common knowledge, but you won't be having top teams facing each other early.
Besides if your performance in the group/league stage is good enough, you ensure you will face opponent whose performance in the group/league stage is not so good, irrespective of club history and stature in Europe
Format is the factor behind luck.
Maybe you can never exterminate luck from matching between teams, but you can minimize it.
In a League where the league position determines also who you would face in the knock-outs, like the way it works in basketball, is the format that minimizes luck of matching (which is luck of draw in CL)
Knock-out games can always be one-offs, that's common knowledge, but you won't be having top teams facing each other early.
Besides if your performance in the group/league stage is good enough, you ensure you will face opponent whose performance in the group/league stage is not so good, irrespective of club history and stature in Europe
Mateka
New member
The ones that have to be scared are Real Madrid and Barcelona,' Tebas told ESPN. 'I don't want to imagine a Champions [League] without them but it can happen.
'More than a sanction, UEFA may opt not to register Madrid, and Barca in the Champions. I think they could be left out. They should be scared.'
Laporta ‘I told [UEFA president Aleksander] Ceferin that we were not going to apologise and that we were not going to pay a fine that is unjustifiable. If they fine us, we will go to the CAS,'
'We will fight to protect the interests of Barcelona and to develop a model of football that is sustainable. All clubs are losing money.''
'More than a sanction, UEFA may opt not to register Madrid, and Barca in the Champions. I think they could be left out. They should be scared.'
Laporta ‘I told [UEFA president Aleksander] Ceferin that we were not going to apologise and that we were not going to pay a fine that is unjustifiable. If they fine us, we will go to the CAS,'
'We will fight to protect the interests of Barcelona and to develop a model of football that is sustainable. All clubs are losing money.''
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Luis Suarez
Member
Absolutely loved the away goals rule (even though it didn't benefit Barcelona in recent seasons). Not happy with UEFA abolishing it at all.
How do you think matches will play out now?
How do you think matches will play out now?
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