Champions League
- Thread starter El Flaco
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Valverde's fate should be sealed after last night. The competition is now Barcelona's to lose, Bayern aren't the same side, Liverpool have the Premiership battle on going and City always bottle it in Europe. There's no one left in the competition who strikes fear into the rest of the sides. Messi, time to step up and finally do it in Europe (again)
FCBarca
Mike the Knife
Just to be clear, these are the current FIFA rules on handball:
Handling the ball
Handling the ball involves a deliberate act of a player making contact with the ball with the hand or arm. The following must be considered:
• the movement of the hand towards the ball (not the ball towards the hand) --> Elbow did not move toward the ball, player & body/elbow turning away from flight of ball
• the distance between the opponent and the ball (unexpected ball)
• the position of the hand does not necessarily mean that there is an offence --> Clearly at issue here
This section is key where VAR comes into play:
The VAR can ‘check’ the footage in normal speed and/or in slow motion but, in general, slow motion replays should only be used for facts, e.g. position of offence/player, point of contact for physical offences and handball, ball out of play (including goal/no goal); normal speed should be used for the ‘intensity’ of an offence or to decide if a handball was ‘deliberate’
So VAR was used, was the decision that it was deliberate formulated from watching it in slow motion? Because in real time it certainly does not look like the player is moving toward the path of the ball or having his elbow/arm extended in a deliberate fashion to make contact
Handling the ball
Handling the ball involves a deliberate act of a player making contact with the ball with the hand or arm. The following must be considered:
• the movement of the hand towards the ball (not the ball towards the hand) --> Elbow did not move toward the ball, player & body/elbow turning away from flight of ball
• the distance between the opponent and the ball (unexpected ball)
• the position of the hand does not necessarily mean that there is an offence --> Clearly at issue here
This section is key where VAR comes into play:
The VAR can ‘check’ the footage in normal speed and/or in slow motion but, in general, slow motion replays should only be used for facts, e.g. position of offence/player, point of contact for physical offences and handball, ball out of play (including goal/no goal); normal speed should be used for the ‘intensity’ of an offence or to decide if a handball was ‘deliberate’
So VAR was used, was the decision that it was deliberate formulated from watching it in slow motion? Because in real time it certainly does not look like the player is moving toward the path of the ball or having his elbow/arm extended in a deliberate fashion to make contact
Barcilliant
Senior Member
I was watching it live and I can't remember any Utd players appealing for a penalty. It looked as if they wanted to take the corner quickly and suddenly ref took the game into his own hands and looks at VAR. Any replay you look at, whether slow motion or normal speed it is not a fucking penalty. I dislike PSG but I was furious wit that decision. It could easily be us on the receiving end next week.
If Utd win CL I have to think the fix is in and the UCL is rigged. They are a terrible team.
BarçaBarça
New member
But he followed the rules of the football-law? It is a stupid law regarding hands, but that is hardly the ref or VARs fault? Let's change the rules instead.
FCBarca
Mike the Knife
Look again, Dalot & Young were on the official straight away
George_Costanza
Active member
Did you see the replay? Watch it slowly, I saw it and it was deliberate by PSG player. He was staring at the ball before United player took a shot. Moved his arm first backward toward the ball while moving his body.
I can see how people think it wasn't deliberate but slow motion showed otherwise. It's 110% penalty, not questionable at all, even experts refs confirmed it!
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the fans not caring certainly isn't irrelevant (do you realise how much I hate real?!). without fans there is no football. keeping football INTERESTING TO WATCH is paramount. your post is missing the point hard (btw "fairness" and "justice" are nothing but harmful delusions. and when not even a perfect machine could make the "just" decision there I'd rather see a human being make that decision, and namely the one on the PITCH REFEREEING THE GAME FFS)
and has moaning about referee decisions decreased even by 1%? NO and neither should it as it was is and will always be an important part of being a football fan. really I could take your post apart for hours but I don't really want to invest the time
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El Gato
Villarato!
Being daft dude. If you’re simple minded enough that a few seconds to a minute of delayed euphoria is killing your interest in the sport then you really ought to take a good hard look in the mirror what it is that motivates you to watch. People pop regardless of how long VAR takes to make the call. It still creates emotions and suspense. Bitches will bitch.
Justice is paramount. It guides results which decide fates of clubs, reputations, leagues, transfers. EVERYTHING in football world depends on decisions and obeying the law. Never ever should you pass up on developing opportunities to ensure that wins are merited. Never should you sacrifice this for a momentary dopamine spike and removing ‘killjoy’ factor. It’s so much more important that you’re celebrating for the right reasons, not that your 1st reaction to a contentious referee call stands no matter what. People get offended and triggered by the fact that technology validates their reactions. Shouldn’t be. Just accept that there are instances where calls are hard and doing what’s right is morally better than getting it over with quickly.
And yes it fucking has changed. Imagine the polemica from United camp if the penalty wasn’t given last night.
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Vilarrubi
New member
Did you see the replay? Watch it slowly, I saw it and it was deliberate by PSG player. He was staring at the ball before United player took a shot. Moved his arm first backward toward the ball while moving his body.
I can see how people think it wasn't deliberate but slow motion showed otherwise. It's 110% penalty, not questionable at all, even experts refs confirmed it!
+1
Although his arms might have gone out “naturally” nowadays as a player you have to actively keep your arms by your side (players actually have control of their own arms lol) even if it doesn’t feel natural. Letting your arms to move out from your body naturally or not is a penalty nowadays. Kimpembe should know this.
Devils
Senior Member
The more I watch it, the more I am convinced it was a penalty.
Can't be extending his elbow like that, regardless if it was intentional or not.
It was a random wild shot, but if this was a clean hit and the ball was going into the top corner then it would have been robbery so to set a standard they had to give a penalty.
Can't be extending his elbow like that, regardless if it was intentional or not.
It was a random wild shot, but if this was a clean hit and the ball was going into the top corner then it would have been robbery so to set a standard they had to give a penalty.
Benzema10
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0 with roma and 11 euros with ManU, i did a score bet with Porto 1-4 Roma and Psg 1 - 3 ManU, lost the bet because roma failed
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