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Vilarrubi
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Penmobile would be fuming.
Three pens i read somewhere.
And Gino Rossetti also scored 36, 1928-29 when it was called Divisione Nazionale, changed to Serie A next season.
And back then it was only 30 games.
Shows the decline of the league.
Look at the quality of attackers in the 90s/2000s who never threatened to score that many in a season. Batistuta, Ronaldo, Signori, Baggio, Del Piero, Weah, Van Basten, Zlatan, Vialli, Inzagi.
Only surprise is it wasn't Penaldo who got the 36 but chances are he'll break it next year even if 20 of them are penalties.
FinBarcelonafan
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Yes, the quality of football or strikers is dog bubu right now. Very boring. No interesting role models, nothing.
El Gato
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Number of goals and who scores them doesn't mean the league has declined.
And the attackers in the 90s and the noughties absolutely did threaten to score loads and loads. Reasons why they didn't aren't tricky - more time spent on sidelines through injuries, more fouls not given thereby less penalties given, less 'professional' lifestyle in many cases hence more fluctuations in form.
If any of these guys were born later and grew into this league, assuming similar capability to put the ball in the net, they'd not have issues reaching these sorts of numbers at all.
And the attackers in the 90s and the noughties absolutely did threaten to score loads and loads. Reasons why they didn't aren't tricky - more time spent on sidelines through injuries, more fouls not given thereby less penalties given, less 'professional' lifestyle in many cases hence more fluctuations in form.
If any of these guys were born later and grew into this league, assuming similar capability to put the ball in the net, they'd not have issues reaching these sorts of numbers at all.
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It was also harder to score because the defenders were a lot better, teams were better coached, you didn't get penaldo's all the time.. Allegri, Conte and Sarri have won the last 10 titles. I wouldn't say there was the same class of manager as Lippi, Trapp, Capello etc. After Mourinho and Ancelotti left the Milan clubs Milan and Inter have done next to nothing in Europe. Juve haven't won in Europe since the 90s. An italian team hasn't even reached the Europa League final since the 90s.
It's been miles behind La Liga since Calciopoli and the Premier League for the most part. Although this is the weakest La Liga has been in that time so that's dropped back a bit.
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Batistuta9
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It's quite obvious the league has declined though. It was the best league in the world during the 90's. Absolutely no chance a 36 year old quagliarella and immobile would be top scorer with the level of players that used to play at that time.
It's more of a retirement home for top players or players that aren't good enough for big clubs in other leagues these days.
Vilarrubi
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El Gato
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Well you should probably at least apply a little bit of data to back up these views you hold. Penalties aren't "being given all the time", that much is clear and they don't influence overall goalscoring season in a league in most cases.
It's really quite random whether you'll get a season with lots of penalties or not.
Until VAR of course, because VAR holds one to account and more penalties WILL be seen as refs will feel compelled to act on the protocol if it's written up as it should. Italy has a major problem with the handball rule enforced by refs & VAR as seen above and in the plots in spoiler below.
There are really weak positive trends i.e. more penalties being given overall over time, but you'd be hard pressed to use penalty and goal numbers as measurement of whether league was good or bad. If you are to look at the two stats with respect to one another and tried to 'box' the quality of the league it might look something like below.
But doesn't work for many obvious reasons. Or you can, but then the math model would tell you the league was mostly shit and never reached the level of competitiveness of La Liga. Which ACTUALLY might well be true... I personally always thought attributing defensive quality to Serie A was horrendously overrated. Their teams would usually get wrecked or almost be on the even with other European teams who were MILES ahead of them in attack.
Why would they not be? They'd come into the league at a different time and tailor their scoring accordingly. If they can't get a penalty, they'd have to figure another way to be a successful striker. That's what most in 1990s and 2000s had to do. Quagliarella has proven he can score in hardman league over a long period of time. Luca Toni was topscorer at 36 or 38 and before that when he was younger. Attacker quality isn't horrifically different. Your Icardis, Cavanis or Higuains had their counterparts in the 1990s.
Unless of course we assume that a player who plays in a league in 2010s where he gets all the fouls + penalties will not change and be useless in 1990s where he'd never get them.
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Also, the league becoming a retirement home is not really the fault of Italians. Or it is, because they've let it happen by giving up and making poor judgements on 'franchise players', but they were never going to be able to compete with Prem and La Liga from ~2010 when social media (driven by the English-speaking world, sponsorships etc) started kicking in. Conditions of life, wage security etc were just much better and now they have to double back on it by faffing with the tax laws to gain any ground at all.
It's not been fashionable to play in Serie A for some time. It will not change as long as the league does not retain at least one elite player that stands out on the European stage. As long as Spain and England are able to attract the French and top South American talent, Italians will be left behind, there's really no reason to prefer Inter (the only consistent club on the upswing) over other European sides.
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