Claudio Bravo

[KingMessi]

Why not? It makes sense to play Bravo in CL, he is the better of two gk's this season and he won't have the pressure to work wonders like mats who is expected to play good in rare outings. Bravo is more composed of the both and i feel much safer with him. But that may destroy TS who is our future after all, it is a tricky case but sticking with TS might pay off in the end. It is a definitely a gamble by not playing your best gk in most important matches of the season. Lets hope it doesn't backfire.

It's bad for morale. That's why. TS hasn't done anything wrong to get his place taken away from him. If Lucho had wanted to play Bravo in the CL, then he should have done so from the start. You can't just start now. It's not right. And it's unfair.

 

[Icarium]

It's bad for morale. That's why. TS hasn't done anything wrong to get his place taken away from him. If Lucho had wanted to play Bravo in the CL, then he should have done so from the start. You can't just start now. It's not right. And it's unfair.

Yeah that is the case, but it is not right to say Bravo doesn't deserve to replace mats. I believe he is the better of two (right now) and he should replace TS if we are only considering pure sporting matters. But it is way more complicated and i don't want to mess it up. It could get ugly if we decide to change things now. I am okay with this setup, but there is a small feeling in my head that we would have more chances of winning CL with Bravo. That is just my opinion. Who knows maybe mats might bring his inner Neuer in the next round. Lets hope he does good.

 

[KingMessi]

Yeah that is the case, but it is not right to say Bravo doesn't deserve to replace mats. I believe he is the better of two (right now) and he should replace TS if we are only considering pure sporting matters.

I didn't mean it on a sporting level though. I meant it more in terms of team dynamic.

 

[Icarium]

I didn't mean it on a sporting level though. I meant it more in terms of team dynamic.

Okay

So far having 2 good gk's has helped the team. Both are trying to improve because of the competitiveness but these often does not work. Rotating gk's can sometimes backfire but so far it didn't. Lucho is doing a good job.

 

[pacp_96]

Sometimes I feel sorry for Masip though. Hasn't even had a chance yet despite being excellent in the B team last season.

 

[KingMessi]

Sometimes I feel sorry for Masip though. Hasn't even had a chance yet despite being excellent in the B team last season.

I do too.

He should be loaned out next season.

 

[Alen]

If bravo is going to be the starter next year too, which would be well deserved, MATS should be the one loaned out.

 

[Zangash]

So when ter Stegen plays well it's "Bravo doesn't deserve to be benched in La Liga because he hasn't done anything wrong!" but if Bravo plays well it's "You can't say Bravo doesn't deserve to bench ter Stegen because we'd have a better chance of winning!"

Fucking double standard bullshit.

 

[zanela]

Mats did fine vs. City though. He showed he can be trusted as well. Madrid won a CL rotating the keepers last year. We can do the same.

Don't cite the casillas ex, he was hilariously bad. He was more a liability last season, and the lack of game time clearly contributed to it. Expecting a keeper of tS' age to be on the money in the rare imp occasions he does play, is unreasonable, and sooner or later backfire. His contemporaries commit errors, and they play on a more regular basis. When Barca is dominating, tS' errors, won't prove costly, but on an off-day, it can be prove critical to our CL ambitions, and end up causing more damage to his morale, than it would if he were on the bench. As for the City game, he did fine if you ignore the Aguero incident.
TS' audious style of play demands refining, and timing, and they can only be achieved with experience...i.e weekly gametime in his case. In absence of which, Lucho's GK rotation is a gamble as it stands.

 

[Kerrybai]

So when ter Stegen plays well it's "Bravo doesn't deserve to be benched in La Liga because he hasn't done anything wrong!" but if Bravo plays well it's "You can't say Bravo doesn't deserve to bench ter Stegen because we'd have a better chance of winning!"

Fucking double standard bullshit.

I don't know who you are referring to but my issue here is that Lucho is giving MaTS an unfair task. Having a cup goalkeeper for the Copa is on thing but the CL is a different animal. So far it has worked great but it could backfire, fingers crossed it won't though. This wouldn't be a problem if Lucho gave Mats each league game before the CL rounds.

 

[Icarium]

So when ter Stegen plays well it's "Bravo doesn't deserve to be benched in La Liga because he hasn't done anything wrong!" but if Bravo plays well it's "You can't say Bravo doesn't deserve to bench ter Stegen because we'd have a better chance of winning!"

Fucking double standard bullshit.

What? It does not work like that.

Bravo is playing better than TS considering both lows and highs. TS doesn't have the experience to play in high pressure matches and is more susceptible to mistakes. Bravo's reflex is also better than mats. Mats is good at distribution but bravo's distribution is not that bad too, sometimes he was very poor but most of times he was decent. You can choose to deny that bravo has been the better keeper of both but that is the fact and playing him might give us more chances of winning. But it might not be good for the team morale and would be an unfair thing to do for TS.

There is also the case of infrequent matches for Mats, he rarely plays and whenever he plays it is against top opposition and he is under high pressure to perform. That is a very bad thing for an young gk. One mistake will affect his confidence very badly. It is better to have same gk for both cl and liga, and if that was the case i would like bravo ahead of mats. That is my opinion. But it should havehappened at the start of the season and if lucho does it now it will makes things complicated.

 

[Icarium]

I don't consider City as a tough opposition, they barely tested him. PSG were and he did bad in first leg and decent in second leg. Anyway lets not argue about who is better anymore, it is not fair to judge TS in his rare outing to bravo. If i really want to compare bravo did better than TS, he made many crucial saves in liga and committed very few mistakes. Getting beaten at near post and the alves back heel were the only mistakes if i remember correctly. Both are not that big mistakes, first one it was a great shot and the second one was a mistake of alves. Mats mistakes were psg verrati goal, villarreal goal in copa and the recent one in city match. All three are mistakes which can be clearly blamed on him. It is unavoidable that he will commit more mistakes, no liga playtime is not helping either.

Anyway what my point ia we can zero down the errors if we have a constant keeper in both liga and CL and i want it to be bravo. But that might be a complicated thing to do because of many other reasons. I don't like the gamble lucho is taking but i can only hope it doesn't backfire. At least from next season he should start the same keeper for both liga and CL. Whether it is bravo or Mats i don't care but whoever plays has to play both in CL and liga.

 

[KingMessi]

Anyway what my point ia we can zero down the errors if we have a constant keeper in both liga and CL and i want it to be bravo. But that might be a complicated thing to do because of many other reasons. I don't like the gamble lucho is taking but i can only hope it doesn't backfire. At least from next season he should start the same keeper for both liga and CL. Whether it is bravo or Mats i don't care but whoever plays has to play both in CL and liga.

Even next season we could run into the same issue because the player who no longer plays competition x might say "But I played that competition last year, and did well. Why are my minutes being cut?"

 

[Icarium]

Even next season we could run into the same issue because the player who no longer plays competition x might say "But I played that competition last year, and did well. Why are my minutes being cut?"

He can complain all he wants but having done well in past won't guarantee a spot in present. If he is doing really well and other one is playing badly then there is a reason to rotate otherwise none. Like how szczesny was benched by ospina. I want one of them to start both liga and cl and other one to start copa. Cech having done good in last season still got his minutes cut down. That is how football works. If Mats is the real deal, he should start both liga and CL. But we don't know that for sure, can't base judgments on few matches. It is for lucho and unzue to decide who will start liga and cl, they can judge him better than us.

 

[Zangash]

I don't consider City as a tough opposition, they barely tested him. PSG were and he did bad in first leg and decent in second leg. Anyway lets not argue about who is better anymore, it is not fair to judge TS in his rare outing to bravo. If i really want to compare bravo did better than TS, he made many crucial saves in liga and committed very few mistakes. Getting beaten at near post and the alves back heel were the only mistakes if i remember correctly. Both are not that big mistakes, first one it was a great shot and the second one was a mistake of alves. Mats mistakes were psg verrati goal, villarreal goal in copa and the recent one in city match. All three are mistakes which can be clearly blamed on him. It is unavoidable that he will commit more mistakes, no liga playtime is not helping either.

Anyway what my point ia we can zero down the errors if we have a constant keeper in both liga and CL and i want it to be bravo. But that might be a complicated thing to do because of many other reasons. I don't like the gamble lucho is taking but i can only hope it doesn't backfire. At least from next season he should start the same keeper for both liga and CL. Whether it is bravo or Mats i don't care but whoever plays has to play both in CL and liga.

How can you blame the Manchester City goal on him? Silva backheeling it to Aguero who is allowed to go one on one with the keeper at close range means it's somehow clearly his fault? There is no way that goal was on him in any way and I will argue that with you to the death.

You're pretty willing to ignore any mistakes Bravo makes. He's let in some goals that should have been savable, there's no denying that. Him being able to play a larger amount of games gives him an enormously huge pool to show quality better than those moments, though. Bravo is not better than ter Stegen. If anything the two are neck and neck, but as I said before, ter Stegen is a solid decade younger, which is something that should not be overlooked.

So far playing one keeper in cup competitions has not hurt us in any way. In the Villareal game Mats still put in an otherwise solid performance outside of his mistake and in the PSG game there wasn't a single player out there that had a decent game aside from Messi. Mats isn't so mistake prone that he's a liability and has shown he clearly has what it takes to be our starting keeper. If we benched him now or at the start of next season there's also the risk that the sudden removal of competition would see the return of Real Sociedad Bravo, who was what we saw during preseason and in our first few Liga games- not very good at all. Bravo has made a significant effort to improve his game almost entirely because he sees competition for his starting spot.