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Zuza66

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Wolfe said:
It's the inevitable conclusion of your argument. You're assuming evidence has been checked by teams of experts and the case is somehow not gaining ground even though it should because evidence is stonewall (just because Der Spiegel says so). That 'somehow' is easily substituted by 'intentionally' given the tone of your position on the issue. If that's not what you're saying then do feel free to clarify.

My point is, the reason it's not on front page news of Sky is because it's a big fucking deal and not one reliable outlet will report the case if there's anything at all wrong with it. That's why it takes more than just a couple of days for every outlet to look over the whole thing and make sure they're not onto a global smear campaign of one of the best players who ever lived. Same shit happened to Lance Armstrong back in the day and dude hasn't even hurt anybody, just their wallets.



Nope, I haven't in fairness. Has it? Then what's all the fuss about? It's making rounds and if he's guilty he will be prosecuted. Or as the user above suggested, it won't because it might not have been obtained by legal means. Much like Donald Sterling debacle who albeit hasn't done anything illegal, but the mode by which tapes on him were obtained was.

:lol: at The Sun getting a mention though
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Der Spiegel obtained the material from Football Leaks. The news is reported by WSJ, CNN, etc.
For example:
https://edition.cnn.com/2018/09/30/us/cristiano-ronaldo-****-allegations-lawsuit/index.html
https://eu.usatoday.com/story/sport...es-sexual-assault-las-vegas-hotel/1484263002/
https://www.wsj.com/articles/woman-accuses-soccer-star-cristiano-ronaldo-of-****-in-2009-1538352671

It's mainly English media who are not reporting it; as someone on Reddit explained, under English law they may be sued for libel even if they are merely reporting what Spiegel wrote; hence the threats by CR's lawyer.
 
El Gato

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Yeah. So basically most others are on it.

Don't understand this weirdly impatient attitude displayed by people here. Other than the sense of justice, is there any reason people actually want to see him convicted immediately? It's a sexual abuse lawsuit, not doping or some other offence that utterly pales in comparison. From what I remember, Lance's case is the only remotely comparable one for court of law given its scale in sports while people here are acting like it's a dodgy red card appeal to which RFEF hasn't given their response yet and are outraged as to why it's not being addressed. Ludicrous. Wait for it to develop and then be judges, juries and exeuctioners.
 
Yannik

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Zuza66 said:
Der Spiegel obtained the material from Football Leaks. The news is reported by WSJ, CNN, etc.
For example:
https://edition.cnn.com/2018/09/30/us/cristiano-ronaldo-****-allegations-lawsuit/index.html
https://eu.usatoday.com/story/sport...es-sexual-assault-las-vegas-hotel/1484263002/
https://www.wsj.com/articles/woman-accuses-soccer-star-cristiano-ronaldo-of-****-in-2009-1538352671
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Funny how 2 of those links are already down. Kind off what I expected. Media are reporting it, but I strongly believe they are being pressured by the entirety of Ronnies lawyer camp at this point.
 
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Yannik said:
Funny how 2 of those links are already down. Kind off what I expected. Media are reporting it, but I strongly believe they are being pressured by the entirety of Ronnies lawyer camp at this point.
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the links don't work because r.a.p.e is **** censored on this forum and the link, replace the **** with the word r.a.p.e in the link and it loads
 
khaled_a_d

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Wolfe said:
I haven't claimed anything as such. Merely speculating whether he was based on cases of pathology we know he endured and only in the context of the **** accusation being even remotely true.

And no I don't just ascribe personality disorders to prior abuse 1 to 1. Trump was born into money and power, Ronaldo by comparison was born in a Madeira slum. Do you think willful people with uncomparable, never-seen-before levels of discipline who achieve global success seemingly having nothing to start with have done so just because they're born special? Again, I'm going out on a limb, but pretty certain most psychologists would say such mental resilience was conditioned by extreme pain when growing up. 99% of people excelling in one field must have had some form of hardship in their lives. Robin Williams? His legendary comedy was a mask, a facade to cover up how pained the guy was every day. Especially given all the other character traits and the decisions he's made on the way.

It always makes me wonder what Messi's demons are since he's just as disciplined coupled with a great capacity to learn and inane God-given execution talent. Part of why people refuse to fully like Messi is because he's so quiet and nobody knows anything about him bar the obvious things, which makes people wonder what he's hiding. What could be the worst thing he lived through to make him want to be the best ever? Proving those that bullied him at school for being short wrong? :lol:
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I think you would like that article
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/...d-adhd-medication-marijuana-nba-mental-health

Many NBA players are diagnosed with mental illness and many refuse to take medication because it affects their play.

Yannik said:
Yeah couples have rough sex, but Ronaldo's statement literally says "She said no and stop several times". If true, this combined with the medical findings is not couple stuff.
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This is probably the only thing that hurts Cr7 in the whole thing, if this is legit it will really affect him and probably will need to address it.
Otherwise the rest of the story can be easier to be doubted, whether she is a gold digger that wants more money or that she is unstable before the whole incident and imagining things etc
But to have say something like that it changes the whole thing.
 
El Gato

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khaled_a_d said:
I think you would like that article
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/...d-adhd-medication-marijuana-nba-mental-health

Many NBA players are diagnosed with mental illness and many refuse to take medication because it affects their play.
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Yeah, good stuff this. I remember the Larry Sanders case quite well in particular, he was a going to be a future rock at the defensive end for the Bucks. What a shame that was.

Makes you wonder whether these things just went unreported throughout history or if the frequency of mental illness diagnoses have increased in the age of internet.

It's honestly a wonder how people dismiss the idea of geniuses being just amazing at what they do without anything in their lives that would give them some form of mental achilles heel. As much as we know about the greats of any sport, they all had to overcome stupid levels of adversity one way or another. Michael Jordan decided to turn his life upside down as soon as his father died, almost definitely in part because he felt guilty he didn't follow a career his dad wanted him to have. Tiger Woods is/was a sex addict. Maradona was fucked up on drugs for half his life, so was George Best, Paul Gascoigne (tho they made no secret off their issues), Cantona and Zidane clearly had a well disguised 'angry gene' that makes an odd appearance.. It just makes me wonder what it is for the players who are seemingly "perfect" and balanced. I don't believe for one second Messi is an all-good legend who hasn't had big levels of hardship in his life.

This is probably the only thing that hurts Cr7 in the whole thing, if this is legit it will really affect him and probably will need to address it.
Otherwise the rest of the story can be easier to be doubted, whether she is a gold digger that wants more money or that she is unstable before the whole incident and imagining things etc
But to have say something like that it changes the whole thing.
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Aye again. Balance has to be struck. Handling it akin to #MeToo cases where victim version of events is taken preferentially is a dangerous precedent.
 
Luftstalag14

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Ronaldo dismissed the whole thing as "Fake News", just as the king of Fake News would have. ;)

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BREAKING: Las Vegas Police reopen investigation into an allegation of sexual assault on June 13, 2009

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xXKonan

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That's big news.

I had the pleasure of looking at Football twitter/FB on some of the reactions and yeah it gives a good glimpse on why a lot of Women are afraid of coming out with Allegations. Because holy shit a lot of those guys are so deplorable.
 
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