Cristiano Ronaldo - v1

[Bertus]

at least 50% of CR's penalties were given through diving and bogus decisions on the ref's part. You'd think with his reputation CR might con the ref lesser but the exact opposite seems to happen.

RM puts immense pressure around and in the penalty box.

I'm not surprised it happens that they get lots of penalties.

Same thing happened with PSG in french league last season during their best part of the season.

Now referees can make bad decision, but it happens, but I don't believe they are asked to give penalties to RM.

About referees, I learned one thing over time, truth is in the eye of the beholder. Take PSG and Marseille fans for example, both say referees are fraud and help their hated team.

What I see: referees that sometimes make bad decisions, happens all the time, especially when a very strong team pushes opponents back to their penalty box where a penalty can be given under very high pressure.

 

[Flavia]

RM puts immense pressure around and in the penalty box.

I'm not surprised it happens that they get lots of penalties.

Same thing happened with PSG in french league last season during their best part of the season.

Now referees can make bad decision, but it happens, but I don't believe they are asked to give penalties to RM.

About referees, I learned one thing over time, truth is in the eye of the beholder. Take PSG and Marseille fans for example, both say referees are fraud and help their hated team.

What I see: referees that sometimes make bad decisions, happens all the time, especially when a very strong team pushes opponents back to their penalty box where a penalty can be given under very high pressure.

Bertus, this is an old thing in la liga. Rm is given penalties more than any other team. This is not casual, you can be sure. Just check how many penalties Gerrard scored for liverpool, and how many cr has for rm already. This is not due to their style of play, it's bias.

 

[Bertus]

Bertus, this is an old thing in la liga. Rm is given penalties more than any other team. This is not casual, you can be sure. Just check how many penalties Gerrard scored for liverpool, and how many cr has for rm already. This is not due to their style of play, it's bias.

Still, taking away any penalties as if it doesn't count is fallacious imo.

I could also argue that it is not so easy to score any and every penalties. Messi knows it well enough, it did cost him at least one CL.

 

[spark]

I see debate just take a step back, now we just take away his penalties tho.

As if all penalties given to RM were underserved and part of a big plot to make messi lose the Ballon d'Or.



Nah, you put Messi with bad teammates and he would still score the same according to people here.

As if Messi wasn't part of the best team ever during his peak.

Xavi, Inesta and the like were second rate teammates of course.

No one has ever said that. Most of them were indeed undeserved though. Dives by him or other RM specialists. Some for PEPE fouling opposition players and RM getting the penalty. Fouls way outside the box awarded as penalties. And it happens long before Crisiano was in Madrid so spare us. Penalti para el Real Madrid is meme for a reason. And no it has nothing to do with them pressuring defenses. No other team in Spain, including us gets penalties in similar situations.

 

[Bertus]

No one has ever said that. Most of them were indeed undeserved though. Dives by him or other RM specialists. Some for PEPE fouling opposition players and RM getting the penalty. Fouls way outside the box awarded as penalties. And it happens long before Crisiano was in Madrid so spare us. Penalti para el Real Madrid is meme for a reason. And no it has nothing to do with them pressuring defenses. No other team in Spain, including us gets penalties in similar situations.

Read above. Some are arguing that Ronaldo scores more when he gets better teammates. But it's the exact same things with Messi.

When Xavi and Iniesta were at their peak, Messi scored more. Some here jump on Messi when he doesn't score enough as if he was the main culprit.

I will argue here that Messi also scores less because his teammates are not as good as they used to be.

Same for the coach, get a better coach and you will probably score more too.

edit: my bad didn't see the bolder part in my msg you quoted , well then I guess I'm wrong about the penalties and there is a plot pro RM then.

 

[spark]

Im not saying its a plot but its definitely easier to blow when it comes them. The disgusting scrutiny the Madrid press put them under after every 'bad call' against them is a big part of the problem, so is the fact that the only referees that get suspended from matches are when a controversial decision is against Madrid. Like the ref that gave CR a red card.

 

[Schumi]

Still, taking away any penalties as if it doesn't count is fallacious imo.

I could also argue that it is not so easy to score any and every penalties. Messi knows it well enough, it did cost him at least one CL.

Ronaldo has missed two crucial penalties in CL final and semi as well.

 

[Schumi]

Im not saying its a plot but its definitely easier to blow when it comes them. The disgusting scrutiny the Madrid press put them under after every 'bad call' against them is a big part of the problem, so is the fact that the only referees that get suspended from matches are when a controversial decision is against Madrid. Like the ref that gave CR a red card.

No, it's not a plot, it's an explicit policy.

 

[Morten]

About the penalties, i dont understand all the fuss. I think Ronaldo has 10 goals from penalties in 2014, Messi have 7 or something. Messi missed at least 2, i dont think Ronaldo has missed any, the difference isnt that big. But yeah, start of this season there has been perhaps to many of them. Also, since 2009, i dont think Ronaldo have had alot more of them either. If im wrong, please correct me.

 

[DonAK]

About the penalties, i dont understand all the fuss. I think Ronaldo has 10 goals from penalties in 2014, Messi have 7 or something. Messi missed at least 2, i dont think Ronaldo has missed any, the difference isnt that big. But yeah, start of this season there has been perhaps to many of them. Also, since 2009, i dont think Ronaldo have had alot more of them either. If im wrong, please correct me.

Guy has most penalties scored in LL History and played in 5 seasons(incl this one) only.

 

[KingMessi]

CR has scored 45 penalties since he's arrived at Real Madrid. How can you say that he hasn't had a lot of penalties?

 

[Morten]

CR has scored 45 penalties since he's arrived at Real Madrid. How can you say that he hasn't had a lot of penalties?

Im not saying it isnt alot, just that i dont think Messi have gotten a lot less penalties during these 5 years either, thats all.

 

[footyfan]

Im not saying it isnt alot, just that i dont think Messi have gotten a lot less penalties during these 5 years either, thats all.

Here's a list Kerrybai compiled in April. You can add Ronaldo's 6 penalties and Messi 2 (or 3?) this season. That would mean about a 10 penalty difference between the two which is not very surprising considering RM attack the box a lot more with dribbling and invite challenges, while Barca players pass the ball away before a challenge can arrive inside the box. The only player who tries to get penalties in Barca is Iniesta when he's dribbling out wide. Also taking penalties out of the equation is disingenuous because it is a skill that Ronaldo is clearly better than Messi at.

Penalties scored/taken in all club competitions (not including shoot-outs):

2009-10
- Cristiano 4/5
- Messi 2/2

2010-11
- Cristiano 9/9
- Messi 5/7

2011-12
- Cristiano 14/15
- Messi 14/17

(No those aren't typos!)

2012-13
- Cristiano 7/8
- Messi 5/5

2013-14
- Cristiano 9/10
- Messi 8/10


TOTAL (2009-2014*)
- Cristiano 43/47
- Messi 34/41

Messi really sucks at penalties in the Copa del Rey which brings him down.

 

[DonAK]

It's indeed a skill Cristiano is better at. Messi struggles to dive for many penalties like him.

 

[Heisenberg is cooking]

You guys need to face the facts. Messi should win ballon de or. One criteria for winning must be to play good against top teams, not only weak teams.

so:ronaldo: copa del rey final, didnt play, cl-final -reals worst. And dont forget that it was ramos, dimaria and modric who basically won the tough cl-matches. Against barca(messi 3 goals)in the league he was reals worst. In the most important tournament he was terrible, the biggest disapointment. Real lost supercopa, they lost against atletico in the league, they beat Barca, but Ronaldo was one of reals worst players.

Does this qualify to win ballon? He has a multibillion team working for him, and the opposition is normaly weak, so a lot of goals is to expect. But it isnt enough. I mean hattrick on penalties against weak la liga teams and you are superman?

Not his best year at all.