Ernesto Valverde - V1

Calidad

Member
Plays a rigid 4-4-2 that does absolutely nothing for 90% of the squad, and has also done absolutely nothing to integrate youth players into the first team squad. £100m players sit on the bench in CL QF’s. Starters run into the ground in dead rubber league games. What is he doing?

Messi has saved his blushes all season. It’s not conservative football. It’s negative and turgid.
 

Raketa10

Senior Member
[MENTION=22412]henias[/MENTION]

You don't seem to have understood anything from the game if you think it was down to tactics.
Yes, we have under-performed versus minor opponents, EV had his tactics wrong many times, but yesterday was a different story. The team just didn't SHOW UP to play the game. Simple as that. Only Ter Stegen was present in the Olympico pitch.

Call it mind block, call it mentality problem, call it underestimation. The issue is not a tactical issue

Valverde HAD to react. He simply had to! He saw what is happening and he did NOTHING! First change he made was in 81st minute and it was GOMES!?!? Come on!!!
He could have subbed Vermaelen on if he wanted to defend or Dembele if he wanted to attack, Paulinho was also a far better option than Gomes FFS!!!!!!!!

I just want to know another thing... We used to play 4-4-2 diamond until early January with Paulinho at CAM and it worked. Then, Valverde changed to 4-4-2 flat. Why?

Diamond or no diamond 4-4-2 is shit formation. And some were saying that Valverde could never get humiliated like Lucho did last year. :lol:
Lucho's tactics in his first year were fucking rhapsody in comparison with this utter shit. We have zero control, our football is unwatchable and half of the players are lost in this way of playing. To be fair only Rakitic and Alba in some extent benefited from this tactics.
 
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Sorin

Well-known member
For much of the season, our attacking tactic was give it to Messi and hope he pulled something. Players often give up as soon as the ball arrives at Messi's feet. Messi is also to blame for his lack of movement and doing squat to seek a better position. He's the least of our worries though.

IMO, Valverde has abandoned any sort of attacking coaching to put as many men behind the ball in a typical Mourinho fashion. Counting on individual quality to solve his attacking problems and doing fuck all to improve our infuriating lack of organized movement upfront. How many times has this tactic worked for these kind of teams lately? Can't remember any. Mourinho's teams continue to get shat on in CL over and over again. This is what will happen if we continue with Valverde. Grinding out results with conservative shit, players defending in trenches while the attacking phase is let to individual quality. Recipe for what happened last night.
 

denn

New member
Why do you blame players?

They can't follow the tempo anymore, they are dead because of non-rotation during the season.

Rakitic played 3700+ minutes, that's INSANE. Busi 3500+, Messi 3700+. Suarez 3500+, Pique and Umtiti 3000+, Roberto and Alba too. Do you know how hard is to keep same energy with tired legs? FFS, it's all on Valverde! Case closed.

Fuck him and his double winning season.
 

FCBfan22

Senior Member
I'm afraid that if we keep Valverde, it'll be the same story next season. Things will look up in the league, while we will look even worse in the CL, because teams won't respect us anymore. P$G learnt nothing from Emery last season and it haunted them again this season. I'd give Emery some credit for last year, because when we were 3-0 up, they went forward and scored. That's why it was even worse what Valverde did yesterday, because we didn't even go and try to score when we were 2-0 down.

Shameful. It hurts even more today than it did yesterday. And for anyone speaking about domestic double, I don't think that we can even win the Copa if we keep performing like this.
 

Barcaman

Administrator
Staff member
They were "dead" with Tito, Tata, Lucho, Valverde. They've won everything and then again and as someone already said some senior players probably have too much influence. Problem is complacency, not quality, or terrible coach. It's the curse that comes with tremendous success.

I don't think Zidane is great coach but he's seen everything and won everything and knows how to deal with big players and keep them on their toes.
And I bet Valverde wishes now he benched/rested Suarez, Messi or others more. And I have to agree with BBZ, we probably did expand too much energy on Copa.

Next manager needs to be a great motivator and preferably someone with vision and not looking to add a title to his CV.

Thank you Ernesto, but we need to move on.
 

George_Costanza

Active member
Why do you blame players?

They can't follow the tempo anymore, they are dead because of non-rotation during the season.

Rakitic played 3700+ minutes, that's INSANE. Busi 3500+, Messi 3700+. Suarez 3500+, Pique and Umtiti 3000+, Roberto and Alba too. Do you know how hard is to keep same energy with tired legs? FFS, it's all on Valverde! Case closed.

Fuck him and his double winning season.

I posted this few days ago in Messi's thread. By looking at the minutes' played by Real, Bayern, and Liverpool players. Messi has played 25% more minutes than every player from those team (Except Mo Salah and Firmino both played little less than Messi and Raki).

EV depended heavily on Messi & Luck.
 

MagIX

Senior Member
Who is to blame for Barça's failure in the Champions League ?

47% players
43% coach
 
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Sorin

Well-known member
So let's fire 10 players and keep the coach. :valverde2:

Next year's Barcelona: All La Masia young guys + Messi. CL glory awaits us.
 
M

MessiCam

Guest
When key players are undermining the manager that usually results in only one outcome.

In my opinion it is the manager that has been undermining the players ALL SEASON. He has played almost everybody out of position just to accommodate the apples of his eye Suárez and Rakitic. The Unbenchables.

Am I surprised that the players are tired of this drab football? No. Am I surprised it happened in the middle of a Champions League game? Yes.

Either way... I just don’t see how Valverde keeps his job. Fully expecting him to get jeered at the Nou Camp this weekend.
 

Raketa10

Senior Member
The worst statement I red today which depressed me even more: "The team that played football won while the team that only cared about time wasting and destruction lost!"
This statement is so fucking true and sums everything up! This is Valverde's Barcelona in one sentence! Cruyff legacy is being destroyed year after year! From most attractive team in the world we became synonym for an ugly football in just 1 year under Valverde. Last year under Lucho was also ugly one but this is one step further and this has to stop NOW!
 
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Reading some of [MENTION=16942]BBZ8800[/MENTION]'s mental gymnastics trying to justify his idea that a workhorse lineup is what's needed to win a CL in 2018 is infuriating.

He and many others said they lost faith in Valverde after last night's match, but why did it take that long? We've been playing similarly for a large portion of the season but were saved by poor finishing, last ditch tackles and saves. What we saw last night was a culmination of Valverde's reign here so far.

So I think it's fair to say that many aren't actually disappointed with the way we played, but just the result that came with the performance. If we had trotted out the exact same lineup last night with the exact same changes, played similarly, but Roma missed the net on the first goal, weren't awarded the penalty on the second and Stegen had made the save on the third while Messi scored a free kick giving us a 0-1 win the same people calling for Valverde's head would be lauding him for a masterclass in pragmatism and getting the job done away from home yet again.

The aforementioned hypothetical luck is what has we've been getting for the vast majority of the season and we were scraping victories not playing all too differently from last night's debacle. When we play exactly the same way as we usually do but just have the luck go against us for once the same people calling Valverde a defensive GOAT call for his head.

See the problem here? It see seems like a large contingent of fans really aren't too bothered with our actual play, but are all too happy to just look at the scoreline at the end of the match and draw conclusions and assumptions from that. Got dominated but won 1-0 with tons of luck? - Valverde is a genius. Got dominated and deservedly lost 3-0 while getting a few bad bounces? - Sack Valverde.

There is no consistency and far too many opinions are drawn from results. Anybody who questioned Valverde earlier in the season was bombarded with goals against and unbeaten stats and anyone who dared question our play was unsustainable was called spoiled and a radical pep fanboy. Short term unsustainable results are temporary, in the long run everything evens out, hence performance quality is the best indicator of future success.

Also funny seeing BBZ dismissing this performance as not being a "true workhorse lineup" by saying Paulinho or Gomes in place of Roberto would've made the difference. The static 4-4-2 has been exposed so instead of admitting the system is flawed he comes up with an excuse, but the problem is we've played the exact same fucking way with Gomes/Paulinho as the 4th midfielder and Bob at RB. Stamford Bridge ring any bells? Of course BBZ conveniently came up with yet another excuse at that time for the failure of the workhorse XI after that embarrassing match we deserved to lose.

Sorry for the long post, but the flip flopping on EV is pathetic after we've been playing similarly for months now. Same ass lickers calling him GOAT want him out now after a similar performance to our previous ones but with just a much different result.
 

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