Ernesto Valverde - V1

Aryagorn

Improvin' Perfection!!
Suarez needs to go but being Messi's pal carries weight.

After having seen him do fuck all all season, after having been humiliated in Roma of all, and then later after seeing his competitor win yet another CL thereby confirming yet another Balon d'Or, don't think Leo would be concerned losing out on a pal!
 

snowy

Well-known member
I really don't think the club will sack Valverde if we win the domestic double, I hope I will be proven wrong.

I think they'll be forced to. Valv pulled an Emery and opted for a hold the fort tactics. When walls got breached, he froze up and couldn't adjust on the spot. Be it on the battlefield or football, a commander has to be able to read the flow and have the guts to deviate from the original plan, which by the way was shiiite to begin with lol

Good he used Semedo, but he should've done like in the Leganes game and played Dembele as well. If Suarez gives off an off-day vibe, switch to Paco or put Messi in False 9. If Pique and Umtiti look off, switch to Vermaelen and Mina! Gotta be bold and reactive, otherwise, what's the point?

Even if not debating his pre-game tactics and preferred line-ups, if he can't think on his feet, he's not going to suddenly hatch that ability. Barto & co should be sacked as well if they can't adjust to this and hire a coach who can be bolder in the midst of battle.

Let's resurrect this dude! Genghis-Khan-1-700x400.jpg
 

Barcilliant

Senior Member
I think they'll be forced to. Valv pulled an Emery and opted for a hold the fort tactics. When walls got breached, he froze up and couldn't adjust on the spot. Be it on the battlefield or football, a commander has to be able to read the flow and have the guts to deviate from the original plan, which by the way was shiiite to begin with lol

Good he used Semedo, but he should've done like in the Leganes game and played Dembele as well. If Suarez gives off an off-day vibe, switch to Paco or put Messi in False 9. If Pique and Umtiti look off, switch to Vermaelen and Mina! Gotta be bold and reactive, otherwise, what's the point?

Even if not debating his pre-game tactics and preferred line-ups, if he can't think on his feet, he's not going to suddenly hatch that ability. Barto & co should be sacked as well if they can't adjust to this and hire a coach who can be bolder in the midst of battle.

Let's resurrect this dude! View attachment 7776

The fucking socis keep Barto in power. That treble really did us no favors.
 
Messi, Pique , Ter Stegen are the only three world class players at the moment.

Of course Busquets is the world's best DM and might be the best DM of all time. But, Valverde's tactics and playing alongside Paulinho has completely destroyed him. Roberto in RB means Pique has to cover two positions more than ever. Now if you see from this context, you can understand why we are too reliant on Messi.

Suarez needs to go but being Messi's pal carries weight.

This is the very reason why Barca is Messi + Aged Players + Lamp posts

While on the other hand, Real Madrid has one of the top 2 players in the world in each position.

Midfielder - Modric, Kroos
Winger - Bale, Isco
Goalscorer - Ronaldo
Workhorse - Casemiro
Defenders - Ramos, Varane
LB - Marcelo
RB - Carvajal

And you know what, their bench players Asensio and Kovacic would start in this Barca team and also make this team better.
 
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ryuken

Senior Member
I just want this season to end to see what happen with this stubborn arrogant human being, he stand by the sideline and gave zero fuk until 81th min. He made us park the fuking bus at Roma hometurf and dont bother to make any slightest change during half time break. His mid tier coach expertise is not what we need.
 

BibB

Junior Member
He shouldn't have to resign our board should sack him.

Hate that club run with this initiative that managers should be allowed to resign on their own terms. If anything we should be firing these incompetent fools in public so the next guy who comes in knows that he will get put to the sword if he's complacent.

We are the only big club in Europe who wont sack a manager during the course of the season. It's pathetic.

I suspect the reason they don't sack them is financial. If a club sacks a manager they normally have to continue to pay him but if he resigns then he waives the right to receive those payments. The question is whether its worth taking that hit just to make a statement. I'd take it to protect the brand/club in the longrun.
 

raedkuwait

Senior Member
I am pretty sure, or I think 100% sure, that messi performance in the rome match was effected by EV defensive tactics
and many players not agreeing in playing defensive tactics as we are not used to it, we are barca we play
attacking football all the time regardless of the result, u can just see it in messi face and other players face to and
he even refused to change it even after we where 2-0 down and it was clear to every one that there 3d goal was on the
way unless he changed something which he didn't.

This is the very reason why Barca is Messi + Aged Players + Lamp posts

While on the other hand, Real Madrid has one of the top 2 players in the world in each position.

Midfielder - Modric, Kroos
Winger - Bale, Isco
Goalscorer - Ronaldo
Workhorse - Casemiro
Defenders - Ramos, Varane
LB - Marcelo
RB - Carvajal

And you know what, their bench players Asensio and Kovacic would start in this Barca team and also make this team better.
I have no clue why any one would keep raving and talking about real madrid when yesterday if it wasn't for a miracle late penalty it would have been the biggest choking act in the history as they would have lost a 3-0 lead with the second leg at there own ground, where was all those top players you are talking about yesterday?! we did not lose the game to roma cause we didn't have good players, or cause roma had better playesrs than us, we simply lost it cause of stupid EV tactics, and I truly believe that from the start many of our players did not like to play defensively, and he refused to change those tactics, we are barca we always play attacking game not matter wut the result is. as many said yesterday zidan saw that something is wrong and he made changes at half time.
 

malvolio

Senior Member
I have no clue why any one would keep raving and talking about real madrid when yesterday if it wasn't for a miracle late penalty it would have been the biggest choking act in the history as they would have lost a 3-0 lead with the second leg at there own ground, where was all those top players you are talking about yesterday?! we did not lose the game to roma cause we didn't have good players, or cause roma had better playesrs than us, we simply lost it cause of stupid EV tactics, and I truly believe that from the start many of our players did not like to play defensively, and he refused to change those tactics, we are barca we always play attacking game not matter wut the result is. as many said yesterday zidan saw that something is wrong and he made changes at half time.

basically this. if the idiot valverde would have made the changes sooner the outcome would have been different. CL is always a competition of fine margins. that's why real only won the league three times in the last ten years. their defeat last night will be forgotten and everybody will be calling them world beaters or the best of all time.

imagine that we could have progressed against roma easily and then maybe faced real in the semis. 2 games against a real team we usually beat in about every competition we face them. then you have a one off game in the final in which everything can happen. fine margins, for valverde, between a treble and people thinking he should get the sack. but he dug his own grave so...
 

Barcilliant

Senior Member
I'm surprised the Catalan media aren't asking for his head. Tata was attacked right from the time we won 4-0 against a team and had less possession.
 

BBZ8800

Senior Member
I haven't read too much of posts after Roma's defeat. Some guys quoted me, I didn't reply, not because I don't have an opinion or anything to say about EV, our tactics and similar, but because I am sad.
This is the dumbest defeat (for me) since Chelsea in 2005'.

I don't want to offend anyone, but seriously, YOU guys who are talking ONLY about tactics all the time and how we need to fix this or that, I think that you have a tunnel vision, that you are not looking at a bigger picture and that you are stubborn and naive, the same as Pep.

I see that some guys (Serghei) mentioned that TikiTaka hasn't been figured out at all and that it was just about US starting to play way weaker.
Come on guys, don't be naive.

Football is a sport where 2 teams play.
And how good you will be, is determined by:
1. your skills and tactics
2. and by opponent's skills and tactics

If you have some new tactics which is working well, in the beginning you will have awesome results.
But as a time will go by, you will be less and less effective because the opponents will LEARN how to neutralize you (and which they didn't know in the early days of your new tactics).
In short: of course that TikiTaka, and ALL other tactics EVER will be less and less effective over time and you will constantly need to add new things, new ideas and a plan B, C and D to your gameplan to counter the opponent who figured out your original gameplan.

For example, about EV's 442, it was clear that teams didn't know how to stop it early in the season, but in the last 2 matches, SMARTER coaches (Italian guys from Chelsea and Roma) played a simple 352 and caused insane problems to our 442.
After these 2 matches where Chelsea and Roma neutralized us, of course that more and more teams will start to play the same against EV's 442 and we will look more and more sterile in upcoming Months.
Now, the same as how TikiTaka defenders are saying: no, that tactic is not figured out. It is just about us who don't run or press as before...
I could reply: no, 442 has not been figured out, it is only about us. We are tired or whatever.
Well, we are tired, but still, 442 HAS BEEN figured out now and it will be harder and harder in upcoming Months.

Also, the thing I don't get with majority of users here is that "tunnel vision" how all problems will disappear if we just "tweak" our tactics.
No offense, but wtf and lol.
Football and any sport is played on so many levels, I will just randomly splash some of elements here:
1. tactics
2. physical skills like pace, strength, height, stamina
3. about stamina, rotating players and saving energy for April and May
4. mental strength and a psychological preparation for a match
5. injuries and injury proneness
6. chemistry between players and automatism
7. experience of players
8. experience of a coach
9. overall motivation and a hunger of a team

I mean, we could hire Pep tomorrow (since he surely knows how to set up our play, right?), I am almost 99% sure that we would be equally as shit in a CL even with Pep, against AM, Juve, Roma, Chelsea, Bayern, against any physical team.
Further, majority of you guys act as if football works like this (these ARE my estimated numbers, NOT a fact):
Tactics 50%
Technical skills 45%
Physique of players 5%

Lol, seriously lol.
I would say more like:
Tactics 50%
Technical skills 30%
Physique 20%

Majority of you are totally underestimating an importance of physique in a modern football.
Have you watched Roma/Chelsea vs Barca:
1. Barca has the slowest midfield between ALL top teams.
Busi is a turtle, Raki is a turtle, Iniesta is not even a turtle. A turtle is way faster than Iniesta.
2. but it is not only about pace, let's go to strength in duels and everything.
Iniesta is the lightest players out there. Especially this granny Iniesta who is tired, slow, short and physically weak.
Raki is a taller and stronger guy. But he is still very slow.
Busi is taller, but he never went to a gym in his life.
He is very weak in lots of duels and his arial strength is nonexistent.

Now, a lot of guys will say that physique doesn't matter at all (well, it doesn't matter if you are Messi or Xavi. But if you are a regular player, then you are in problems against players of the same technique as you, but who are faster and stronger than you).
This is Roma's team which beat us 3:0:
Schick 186
Dzeko 193
Kolarov 187
Strootman 187
De Rossi 184
Nainggolan 176
Florenzi 173
Jesus 185
Manolas 189
Fazio 195

For example, at set pieces and corners, who will jump against Roma's guys?
Pique 194
Busquets 189
Rakitic 184
Luis Suarez 182
Umtiti 182

Lol:
Roberto 178
Semedo 178
Iniesta 171
Messi 170
Jordi Alba 170

So, we have only 2 guys taller than 185 (Pique and Busquets who can't jump).
And we needed to mark at corners:
Fazio 195
Dzeko 193
Manolas 189
Strootman 187
Kolarov 187
Schick 186
Jesus 185

So, we have 2 tall players.
They have 7 tall players.
It is a miracle how we conceded only 1 goal after corners and crosses.

Further, do you remember how we played during all 90 minutes?
Mats has the ball, he passes it to someone out of back 4.
Busi is marked, Raki is marked since Roma has 5 midfielders compared to our 3 guys (and Roberto hogging the touchline to prevent crosses).
And our defenders were just hoofing the balls forward.

And what happened forward, lol?
Our 3 most attacking players were Luis 182 cm, Messi 170 cm and Iniesta 171 cm.
And they lost like 100 arial duels and Roma was just gaining back possession every time.
So:
1. we had the ball. we lose the ball after 10 seconds.
2. then Roma attacks.
3. then we have the ball for 10 seconds, and we can't do anything either with feet or with head and we just lose the ball over and over and Roma was able to attack like crazy all the time.
Also, if anyone will watch a reply later, try to see how many arial duels we lost and how many loose balls we lost.
Roma's players were faster and stronger at every loose ball.
We were nowhere.
Our turtles couldn't run and win balls.
And our players couldn't jump and win any single arial duel

I know, 90% of you will now reply (I will kill myself, seriously): if we had better midfielders, we would control the match better (lol).
Well, this is not Getafe.
In a CL matches against physical teams who are both good technically (AM, Bayern, Roma, Juve) and who are better in physical skills than us, things like this will happen often.
In 2013: Tito was sick, a physical+technical Bayern won 7:0
In 2014: you will blame Tata, as a bad coach. You won't blame our slow, short and weak players who couldn't do anything against AM's thugs.
In 2016: AM again. But you will all blame Lucho. It is not about being short, slow and weak.
In 2017: Psg and Juve have ate us alive. Way faster, taller and stronger teams again.
In 2018: Roma. You will all blame dumb EV. No one will blame physically the shortest top team on a planet. Or the only top team consisted of turtles. Or the only top team in which half of players has never seen a gym.
I mean, against Roma, we had Iniesta and Busi, both with zero muscles against Nainggolan and Strootman, for example.
Also, why WE can't buy players like Strootman (or that type of players), who both have some physique and awesome technical skills?
We have Busi without muscles, we have Iniesta without muscles, we just bought a 160M Coutinho who looks like a 13 years old kid and our next signing is a 172cm Arthur.
Also, we are on a verge of signing another weaker player, Griezmann.

Do you guys think that Juve, Roma, Bayern or other teams would buy 3 short midfielders in a span of 6 Months?

Look at Roma:
1. they can play a possession, shortpassing football because they have good technical playmakers like Strootman and Pjanic, who are similar to Barca's level of midfielders.
But, their players are way faster and stronger and they can play both possession, counters, crosses and score after corners.
While Barca can play only possession and some counters. We can't play long balls, we can't play crosses, we can't score of defend after corners.
Juve, Liverpool, Bayern, Real: they can all play:
1. possession like Barca
2. counters, better than Barca
3. crosses from wings and score some headers, unlike Barca
4. score after corners, unlike Barca
5. defend corners and crosses, unlike Barca

So, majority of guys here only talk about fckg tactics all the time, and they are neglecting other aspects of the game.
No wonder that our board and coaches are equally as outdated.

Anyway, my short wishlist for the future of Barca:
1. find a better tactics
2. have 2-3 tactical solutions for different opponents
3. buy SOME faster, stronger, taller midfielders and attackers
4. open a gym at Camp Nou. That would be a revolution at our club, lol
5. buy a 185cm tall central forward with good technical skills who could play both a possession football and score headers after crosses (Lewa, Benzema style and similar)
6. do something about our mental strength and complacency
7. if possible, NOT to play CDR with Messi and starters anymore. As always: Barca is laughing at RM in February when they lose to Leganes in a CDR (lol, so rigged) and then RM laughs at us in April and May when we can't run in a CL and we are dead tired and they are winning a CL year after year.

Fc Barca currently:
1. a one dimensional team because we can't move away from Cruijff's and Pep's legacy
2. a team with the shortest set of players among Top teams
3. a team with the slowest set of midfielders among Top teams
4. a team with the physically weakest set of players among top teams. Please guys, hit a gym from time to time
5. the most naive team in terms of rotations and playing CDR

If I don't reply to all replies about this post, that is NOT because I don't know what to answer, but because I am sad and down now, and yet 90% of Barcelonistas would only tweak tactics (lol), so to some extent, why even bother?
(We have to go back to 433 with Coutinho/Verratti/Arthur/Alena/insert a random 170cm technical player, and we will get back to a glory days. Oh no, we sooooo won't.)
 
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Neymessi

Active member
If win the league by going unbeaten he defnitely isn't getting sacked. Will suck if I have to want barca to lose a league game for him to get sacked.
 

Cule4life

The Culest
I would take the team collapsing and barely winning the league if it means the sack for this clown. Even a CDR loss would be acceptable. Can't stomach another season of Valverde's dross. I might just stop watching/barely watching Barca next season. I used to be excited for Barca matches. Valverde killed that joyful part of me.
 

Devils

Senior Member
This guy makes me miss Lucho.

Never during Lucho's time here did this club feel so rotten and hollow as it has now under EV.
 
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