Ernesto Valverde - V1

xXKonan

Senior Member
It must be hard to create a system or even a proper flow of play, when a few players (incl. our captain) are so complacent that they don't run or contribute defensively. Just saying.
It's also up to the coach himself to stamp his authority in the Lockeroom and instead of letting the Captains and other Big wigs influence him.

Sorry if guys like Rakitic, Suarez, Messi, Pique etc get their feelings hurt if someone even dares question them they need to find a new profession. This is a team sport, Not a country club where they do what they please.

Valverde is letting these guys run the asylum right now.
 

Givenchy

Senior Member
It must be hard to create a system or even a proper flow of play, when a few players (incl. our captain) are so complacent that they don't run or contribute defensively. Just saying.

we'll only find out the extent of the seniors power once we get a new manager.. if the same shit ensues then we know the problem is deeper than management.

Messi for example shouldn't be playing at RW anymore. he doesn't track back, he doesn't stay at RW, he drifts centrally and even drops deep near Busi at times leaving our right side dead - look at how many times Semedo has had to turn back because he has nobody ahead of him in support.

false-RW when Messi has an off game = were fucked. if Messi is adamant on walking around then the only position for him is ST/false 9. GOAT he is, but football is a team game and him playing on the right is fucking our team balance. its madness we are wasting Dembele at LW and sacrificing the right side of our attack so Suarez-Messi can both start. against a parked bus we always struggled but if Lyon can knick an away goal, i can see a shutout
 

DonAK

President of FC Barcelona
I heard that shit when Man Utd were crap under Mourinho too. How all their players didn't want to work hard and sucked.

Tired of people's excuses for this man.
 

George_Costanza

Active member
Has best track record against topflight teams

Inb4thatswhywegotknockedoutofCL

Stronger than steel,
Hotter than the sun;
Valverde won't stop,
'til he gets the job done!

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serghei

Senior Member
I heard that shit when Man Utd were crap under Mourinho too. How all their players didn't want to work hard and sucked.

Tired of people's excuses for this man.

Fans never learn that it is the manager who is supposed to lead the players, not the other way around.
 

DonAK

President of FC Barcelona
So? Is it CL or bust? :shrug: Fearing Zidane is pointless.

Jokes apart, Zidane said one of his biggest regrets as the Real Madrid manager was the lack of consistency in the league. So I believe he'll try to make that right now.
 

Gaudi

Senior Member
Yea man, that's the type of football you get with managers who like italian style rigid football, very position oriented, sort of stiff football you see at Inter for example, where there is also very very poor movement when in possession. We play like a form of Inter with better players. There's no difference between Spalletti for example and Valverde in terms of offensive expression, other than Spalletti being a slightly better manager arguably.

Idea is some managers just don't like players vacating their positions too much because it involves a degree of risk they're just unwilling to cope with, mainly due to not being brave and good enough to roll with that risk for the good of the team.

Mobile modern football basically involves loosening the meaning of position. It is basically allowed, especially in midfield - which is the motor of a team when in build-up - to slightly vacate your position (in a totally trained and non-chaotic way) and create numerical overload in important areas when the game asks it (usually when you have issues creating progression in the normal way). And this is how triangles, quick 1-2s (those sort of things which we normally associate with Barca football) are created.

It is called ball oriented approach. You modify the team's shape in relation to the ball, so that areas were the ball is unlikely to be played quickly are sacrificed in order to provide numerical advantage in the hot zones - i.e. areas where the ball is likely to be played first. City use this, Liverpool use this in their pressing setups, even PSG under Tuchel use this. Ajax use this, Dortmund use this, Napoli used it under Sarri a lot. Most teams who play entertaining football use it, with various degrees of success based on the level of the players you have.

We don't use it. We keep our positions almost with stubbornness, even when it is obvious that the opponent has it under control. We basically pass the ball in the channels we are allowed to pass, until the ball gets to a player who is trying to create danger on his own. This is obvious by the unusually high amount of passes from the center wide. We simply pass there because those are the areas that are left more open by any decent team who knows a thing or two about defending. There rarely is any vertical progress in possession. We usually have to get attacked to be able to find any way to create danger, which is basically the antithesis of Barcelona football, the type of reactionary stuff you see Atletico playing weekly.


To add to that great post: we used to pass the ball with purpos to destabilize opponent nowdays we pass the ball to the channels opposition allows us to pass, they are controling our passing lanes.
 

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