Ernesto Valverde - V1

Sorin

Well-known member
Against Liverpool play the workhorses and hit long balls. The tipi tapa merchants have to admit this. Tipi tapa against Liverpool is suicide. Teams like Liverpool are why I advocate physical players to offer a different option.

Their workhorses are better coached so our workhorses will be fucked.

They are better at sitting back, they are better at counter attack, they have more workhorses who know their job because the manager is genuinely world class compared to our dull boring fucktard. Get it through your thick skull for once that having workhorses is useless when they are not properly coached and motivated.
 

Hamzah

High Definition Member
Their workhorses are better coached so our workhorses will be fucked.

They are better at sitting back, they are better at counter attack, they have more workhorses who know their job because the manager is genuinely world class compared to our dull boring fucktard. Get it through your thick skull for once that having workhorses is useless when they are not properly coached and motivated.

Agree with your post, no need for the insult. Still my point about playing those type of players and using that style in this type of game is valid. In an ideal world Barca could play tiki taka. As we have seen tonight that’s not possible with the current players. Struggled under pressure from Man U who aren’t even that good. Barca must play physical players and change the style to have the best possible chance.

People on this board keep hurling personal insults at me and putting words in my mouth. Half the opinions people think I have I actually don’t.
 

gregorrin10

Senior Member
Remember when we used to be the team who played their football on the opponent's half? United literally dominated us in the 2nd half, a toothless uninspired United. Only their lack of finishing and quality in general was what prevented them from turning the game around. The worst thing being that they're so bad they still didn't get a shot on target so if you look at the livescore it looks like we dominated them, which we did, but only until the goal. After that the only 'attacking' we've done were passing around wanting to waste the time and not attacking at all. Last 10 minutes were disgusting to watch, we looked like a Mourinho team, no surprise with baby-Mourinho coaching us.

This is the thing I hate about managers like Valverde, Mourinho, Simeone. Score one goal, then immediately turn to defending that lead. It's a small team mentality. This team is too good for that, Barca has had a system for years, and these players are used to a certain mentality. And it showed multiple times under other managers already that we actually begin struggling the minute we give up control and let our opponents attack. But before Valverde we did that only on occasion, but now we do every time after we get the lead in the match. But our defenders and GK take the center stage, and because they are still world class players, we still grind out results, let it be from lack of quality of our opponents or sheer luck many times too.

And that really is the main problem with Valverde. On paper it all looks great (shots on goal, possession), so if you look at our matches through the livescore stats, or win percentage in general, you'd think we play fantastic football. And let's be honest, many fans do that. But if you take a closer look, really follow the club closely, watch, like really WATCH every one of our games and how we're winning, you start to notice problems. The bad thing here is that such mentality, where you're winning without a clear system, it all blows up on you sooner or later, like it did last season in Rome. And like I suspect it could this season at Anfield at the latest. Not to mention that with Valverde, there's further problems with player management, where great players have great games, then get frozen out of the team for no apparent reason. And I'm not just talking about Malcom here. Alena was very good in the opening months of the season, it seemed like he was becoming a really important figure for the team and earning more and more trust from Valverde. And here we are now, subbed in for garbage time and playing one full match/per month.
 
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Xtroverto

Member
Excellent result by our tactical maestro :worthy: Fuck tiki taka and ball hogging whoring, Valverde show us what an absolute master tactitian he is completely shutting down the rednoses from the north. That babyface norweigian got completely schooled today :wave:

one nil is pure poetry to my ears ;)
 

Horatio

You're welcome
Another Valverde masterclass. Beat top-flight EPL team away and conserve energy at the same time. Never seen before.
 

BBZ8800

Senior Member
Our last away matches in CL's knockout rounds:
2018: Roma 3:0
2017: Juventus 3:0
2016: Atletico 2:0
2015: Psg 1:3
2015: Bayern 3:2
2014: Atletico 1:0
2013: Bayern 4:0
2013: Psg 2:2
2012: Chelsea 1:0
2012: Milan 0:0

In the last 10 away matches in 1/4s and semis, Barca lost 7 times, drew 2, won once.
The last time when Barca managed to NOT concede a goal in an away match in quarters or semis was in 2012 vs Milan.
Long 7 years ago.

EV managed today to BOTH win and not concede a goal.
The last time when that happened was in 2011 vs Real and Shakhtar.

From 2012 till tonight, our goals ratio in CL's away matches in quarters and semis was: 20:7 for our opponents.

Aren't you too harsh on EV?
In 2 years, Roma was the only big match which he lost.
 
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jairzinho

Senior Member
Our last away matches in CL's knockout rounds:
2018: Roma 3:0
2017: Juventus 3:0
2016: Atletico 2:0
2015: Psg 1:3
2015: Bayern 3:2
2014: Atletico 1:0
2013: Bayern 4:0
2013: Psg 2:2
2012: Chelsea 1:0
2012: Milan 0:0

In the last 10 away matches in 1/4s and semis, Barca lost 7 times, drew 2, won once.
The last time when Barca managed to NOT concede a goal in an away match in quarters or semis was in 2012 vs Milan.
Long 7 years ago.

EV managed today to BOTH win and not concede a goal.
The last time when that happened was in 2011 vs Real and Shakhtar.

From 2012 till tonight, our goals ratio in CL's away matches in quarters and semis was: 20:7 for our opponents.

Aren't you too harsh on EV?
In 2 years, Roma was the only big match which he lost.

I am going to take the unpopular opinion here and say that the harshness is warranted. We looked limp and lackluster at many times during this game. Luckily for us, United are shite and lack quality in the final third and were generally unable to expose us. Was the result because of some tactical brilliance and defensive masterclass? Maybe in some ways, but generally luck and the lack of quality of the opponent meant we won. Many red flags today are being overlooked because of the general euphoria of finally winning a CL away tie.
 
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Horatio

You're welcome
I am going to take the unpopular opinion here and say that the harshness is warranted. We looked limp and lackluster at many times during this game. Luckily for us, United are shite and lack quality in the final third and were generally unable to expose us. Was the result because of some tactical brilliance and defensive masterclass? Maybe in some ways, but generally luck and the lack of quality of the opponent meant we won. Many red flags today are being overlooked because of the general euphoria of finally winning a CL away tie.

Honestly, I want to tell you you are right completely...but then again I have read this ‘we are so lucky’- post so many times now.
 

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