Ernesto Valverde - V1

tacticvarium

New member
Are you fucking kidding? Two huge collapses and they will keep him? We should fucking lynch everyone at the club if Valverde remains manager.

Hey, no need to use f word at me:lol:
This board probably will need another huge fuck-up to make such a bold, prompt decision (including getting rid of players like Suarez, Raki etc.).
I am also not convinced Fuckverde and our senior players deserve consecutive double domestic titles.
 

frostdude1

Member
I feel so much anger towards this fucktard. The worst manager during the Messi era no doubt. This MFer stole 2 valuable years from Messi’s prime. Fire him immediately
 

El Guaje

Member
Wait?
Milner, Henderson, Origi, Van Dijk, Shaqiri are on a level of choir boys like Iniesta, Busi, Roberto?

If you going into a fight against someone, would you rather have Milner or Busi/Iniesta on your side?

I know that some will now reply on this: oh, come on, we don't need thugs, football is about technique.
Well, imo, we need some level of bravery, aggression and thugs.
Our choice boys are eaten alive year after year in a high stake CL KO matches.

Liverpool kicked Pep's and Barca's choir boys in the same fashion in the last 2 years in a CL semis.
On the other hand, in low pressure league matches, Barca's and Pep's choir boys are winning league titles.

It seems that both Barca and Pep are missing something for a CL lately.
I thought that EV's defending alone will be enough.
Apparently, it is not enough.

You guys will put faith in more technique and nice passes to win CL matches.
I will put my faith in a fighting spirit in these high-stakes matches.

For la liga it is a different story: all in with technique (Barca's DNA) is a way to go there.

You would rather have James fucking Milner instead of Iniesta who is regarded as one of the best midfielders to ever play the game with huge and even MOTM performances in finals and other big games?

Jesus christ fuck me sideways i think i just lost all my braincells. Please do the universe a favor and dont reproduce.
 

xXKonan

Senior Member
Valverde is like the Principal at a High-Class School, that doesn't have it in him to keep a certain Clique in Check. So he just goes after some of the weaker students in the school to make it look like he's some sort of tough guy while turning a blind eye towards a Certain Clique.
 

MessiTBE

Banned
Any other manager tonight does not let a 3-0 lead turn to a 4-3 defeat.

He’s a WEAK manager. Mentally weak! You can see it in his body language! There’s no passion, there’s no brains, there’s nothing inside of him! Total opposite to Klopp!
 

xXKonan

Senior Member
Can anyone explain why we are utter shit in the CL away game?

We've must been cursed.
Poor preparation and poor coaching in general.

That's just part of it. We are also so awful in attacking that it takes us a shit load of chances to even convert them. We have so many issues in away CL games that unless it's solved we won't win the CL anytime soon.
 

MTL_Barca

Well-known member
My reply about Milner and a fight was about:
In moments like this on Anfield, or in Rome, or against Atletico, you have (imo) two ways to win and to kill the pressure:
1. either to have the best midfield ever, like Xavi-Iniesta-Busi, who will Tiki-Taka us out of a pressure with insane technique
2. or to have more leaders or guys who won't be mentally and physically bullied, like Puyol, Vidal and similar. But Vidal alone was not enough because half of a team was scared and pissing their pants and true, 90% of a team weren't able to string 2 passes in a row

Regarding our Xavi-Iniesta-Busi midfield:
1. we will never be able to recreate it
2. also, Messi will be gone in 2-3 years and WITHOUT Messi, we will need a different midfield than a midfield who works with Messi

Today, all you need is to keep the ball, and pass the ball to Messi and he will usually do something.
Without Messi, we will lose 30-50 goals per season (like RM without CR7) and 3-4 players will need to compensate that

Imagine losing Messi and his 50 goals, Suarez and his 30 goals and suddenly having: Dembele with 15 goals, Malcom or Coutinho with 15 goals and a CF with 20 goals.
That is a drop from 90 goals today (Messi, Suarez, Dembele) to 50 goals per season.

In that post-Messi world, we will not survive if our all midfielders will be controllers, guys who keep the ball and similar.
New gen of midfielders after Messi will need to be closer to Alena (at least one of them, a CM who will score 10+ goals per season).

So you see, we can sack EV, but longterm:
1. we need younger players
2. more hunger
3. mental strength
4. midfielders with different skills than today, to compensate for Messi's retirement
5. 3 lethal attackers who will compensate for Messi's retirement
6. 2-3 leaders on a field

7. a good coach

You can't just pull a Roma 2.0 yourself and blame it all on the team after you were chanting GOATverde GOATverde GOATverde after the first leg and even went on to explain how Valverdes tactics are so smart while Klopp loses 0-3 with his his approach.

Thing is you're not wrong about the squad, but with Valverde could you EVER imagine us playing with fire like Liverpool did even if he had the same squad? Of course not. Now the same intensity is unrealistic because klopp is probably the best coach in the world when it comes to building a team that follows his style and motivate them to run for their lives, even better than Simeone. His work in Liverpool is phenomenal. But if Klopp is on one end of the scale then Ernie is clearly on the other, seems to have about the same passion in him as a slice of toast in a suit.

The team played exactly like Valverde was standing there at the sideline. Some weird mixture of being scared, clueless and not caring. He has a defensive approach but not a defensive team, he just fields as many CMs and DMs as possible and puts the whole team 10m back hoping for the best. You always went on how that is the correct approach to win but the legend Choakverde did the unthinkable and bottled a 3-0 lead TWICE in 2 years...so maybe his style also only works in la liga where you can play like utter shit at times as long as you have Messi and Suarez up front? Or is it "just 2 games" now and he is still the GOAT coach that just suffers from his poor team?

When talking about the squad yeah i can't take it anymore, it happens over and over again. Rakitic, Suarez, Coutinho, Roberto even Busi all so slow and low intensity. Messi too but i just can't blame him after such a great season. Defense shit als always when it matters, but that is also down to not defending well as a team. It's not like every single player needs to be replaced but i feel like at least half of them with a new coach is the minimum. Especially Suarez, for some weeks i almost got convinced we can keep it that way but that game was another display of how much he declined already while upping his toxic behavior on the pitch to a maximum. But again, nothing of that excuses what Valverde did AGAIN.

Also, could you see him rebuilding this team? I can't. He is in deep love with Raki-Busi, never benches Suarez etc nothing would change at all.
 
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FCB1987

Banned
We played 442 with six players at least six feet tall in the starting 11 and still got humiliated.

@BBZ8880 needs to have some humble pie and take the L here
 

FCBfan22

Senior Member
Thank you Valverde for cucking this up. Now I need to go to my internship where almost all football fans are Liverpool fans.

Hell.
 

Neymessi

Active member
I think Bbz is putting up a facade that he wants EV gone in the face of the pitchforks waiting for him here :lol:

Because reading his posts they look totally contradictory and it doesn't feel like EV was the problem. An essay writing pseudo-intellectual, unfortunately.
 

YodaMaster

Member
Worst ever humiliation in Barca history, one year after the other worst humiliation in Barca history. All this thanks to this shit defensive minded coach, shit "workhorses" players and an anti-Barca playing style. The only thing that makes me happy after that terrible loss (that I half expected) is that clowns like BBZ, Arizona Scott etc will forever be remembered as clowns on this forum, if you have half a brain at least.

These clowns tried to make us believe that shit players who don't have the level to play for Barca were underrated (Rakitic, Roberto, Coutinho). These clowns thought that defensive+physical approach is what makes you win a CL, even though the club that won it 4 times in the last 5 years had the most technical starting 11. These clowns started to listen and praise another big clown like Mourinho, the greatest bus parker in recent times. But the worst thing these clowns did was denying and bashing Cruyff and his idea of football. You guys should shut up forever with you physicality, thuggery, workhorses, and praises of average players with 0 Barca DNA.

This is justice. Cruyff came at FC Barcelona and made the most beautiful winner out of a loser club. But then rats like the ones you can find here (+ Valverde and Rosell/Bartomeu team) turned their back on him and his ideology. And ideology that gave Barca 5 CL's.

Barca will never win a CL without applying Cruyff's ideas of football. Never. Mark these words. Every CL Barca will win in the future will be won with an offensive and technical football.

This is a life lesson. You should never bite the hand that fed you, because that hand will eventually come back and slap you in the face at the biggest stage. So that the whole world can see what an asshole you are.

Fair play to Liverpool and Klopp. Real football with balls won yesterday (even without 2 of the best players) and it's fully deserved. This year the CL final will be a football celebration with two great, offensive teams with balls.
 

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