Ernesto Valverde
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JohnN
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Putting aside the ridiculousness of that statement, here are some facts:
If a player looks fat and uninterested the coach must bench him (Messi by your sayings).
If a player is out of form the coach must bench him (Suarez).
If a player consistently performs amazingly he should be a starter (Arthur).
If a player consistently performs badly he should not be a starter (Rakitic).
If a player is not a winger, but a CDM/CM, he shouldn't be playing on the wing (FDJ).
If a young player plays his first match for the team away from home and makes one serious mistake, he shouldn't be replaced at half time by a player playing out of
position, because his confidence will go down the drain (Firpo).
If a player is by nature a RB, he shouldn't be playing on the opposite flank (Semedo), more so if the team has a natural LB (who may or may have not been left out of the squad list, even though he was the only backup for that particular position) (Firpo).
If a player is not a winger, he should not be played on either wing (Griezmann).
If a player is a CM, he shouldn't be playing as a RB (Sergi), if the team has two natural RBs (Semedo, Wague).
If a player plays decently in the first game of the season away from home for 45' and is not the worst player out there, he should not be benched at half time and made to disappear from the face of the earth for the next games. (Alena).
If a player doesn't have a place in the squad planning for a season, he should be notified so he can search for another team (Vidal).
How much more can a coach mismanage a squad in the span of a few weeks?
If we don't sack Valverde, we are done.
serghei
Senior Member
Excellent comment.
About Messi, disappointed and impressed by him at the same time. I truly believe he is the main reason Valverde is still the manager, both in a good way (playing amazing and carrying us to La Liga titles like never before imo), and in a bad way for not showing his captain qualities. He put the icing on the cake by supporting Valverde when it was clear to everyone the guy is a loser and an incompetent for this level.
He is an exceptional player, but not the leader we need. This team is without a single leader. Puyol and Xavi were the leaders of this team. When both were gone, and Alves, Mascherano left too, there was nobody else.
Iniesta and Messi are legends, and both among the best players of all time. But they aren't leaders. Leaders feel when the road we're on leads to nowhere land and they react. Both during the season, and during matches as well.
What we are now is a club without a leader, with an incompetent trying to pose as a real manager, without a single type A personality in the team to rally the troops, with a terrible board. All we have is a top squad which is horrifically managed from top to bottom.
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xXKonan
Senior Member
The LB situation is going to be a joke I bet.
Firpo is going to get punished every time he doesn't play like some 1:1 version of Alba. Guy had a difficult first half vs Granada but this was his first start with new teammates in a horrible lineup and he had nothing to work with going forward as Rakitic and Griezmann weren't providing much to help in that regard along with some horrible tactics and he ends up getting the hook at HT while we force Semedo back as an LB and Roberto at RB.
Firpo should have been left on and allowed to keep playing so he can further gel with his teammates. Not like Valverde's subs and changes did anything really, we still conceded a goal(Pen) and we were dreadful. instead of punishing players why not give them confidence instead of acting like some Middle school kid picking on Elementary school kids because you don't have the guts to mess with people your own size.
Firpo is going to get punished every time he doesn't play like some 1:1 version of Alba. Guy had a difficult first half vs Granada but this was his first start with new teammates in a horrible lineup and he had nothing to work with going forward as Rakitic and Griezmann weren't providing much to help in that regard along with some horrible tactics and he ends up getting the hook at HT while we force Semedo back as an LB and Roberto at RB.
Firpo should have been left on and allowed to keep playing so he can further gel with his teammates. Not like Valverde's subs and changes did anything really, we still conceded a goal(Pen) and we were dreadful. instead of punishing players why not give them confidence instead of acting like some Middle school kid picking on Elementary school kids because you don't have the guts to mess with people your own size.
devo901
New member
I agree with many of you - Firpo needs time and chances to build up!
If EV distroys him with benching and so on... just to bring back Messi's buddy Alba (30) in 5 weeks.
It was EV job to make sure Firpo does not blunder TWICE in the first minute... but EV did not do his job nor any of his co-trainers.
If EV distroys him with benching and so on... just to bring back Messi's buddy Alba (30) in 5 weeks.
It was EV job to make sure Firpo does not blunder TWICE in the first minute... but EV did not do his job nor any of his co-trainers.
JohnN
Senior Member
Firpo's mistake is on him. Alba has many blunders himself. Punishing him though is Valverde's mistake. As all the other things mentioned from so many others.
devo901
New member
I can partly agree with "Firpo's mistake is on him." The extent this young guy was nervous to do 2 horrer blunders, should have been seen/countered by trainers. I do see PARTLY responsibility on the trainer side, in not preparing someone for this properly.
Does anyone know if there is metal coach, they are using in barcas trainer team? there is no listed on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FC_Barcelona#Current_technical_staff
nor on https://www.fcbarcelona.com/en/search?s=mental
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Potroh
New member
True.
No. This doesn't work like that.
You have to differentiate between a "captain" and a "leader".
If you meant a leader, than you are more or less right, because Messi simply has a different personality.
If you meant a "captain" then you are mistaken, because a captain is always the intermediate figure between the coach and players. A mediator's role if it sounds better.
His responsibility is, more or less and among other things, to represent the coach, accomplish his ideas, orders, everything that were discussed and illustrated beforehand, etc.
Therefore in Valverde's team only the most loyal (to EV) elderly figure or authority could be a functioning captain and god forbid us all from that...
As I said it many times in the past, the captaincy became more and more irrelevant during the last two decades.
If your view is pointing more towards a leader personality on the pitch, Pique is the best available figure and candidate for that, without any doubt.
Sorin
Well-known member
I do question why he supports Valverde so much. It's not like under a new manager he would be benched or anything, he's still Messi and basically the best player in the world. It's not like he's in Rakitic', Busquets' or Pique's position where any decent new manager would bench their lazy entitled asses as soon as they see what they're about. I often wonder if it's not his best bud Suarez that influences him in supporting this mediocrity? Suarez is another one of the entitled has beens that deep down knows that he's been shite and he's gonna get benched/shipped out as soon as any other manager works with him for more than one week. He's in Messi's ear a lot and I wouldn't be surprised if he's the one implanting ideas that the state of the team is due to the "shite" players and not the manager.
Well I try to find explanations as to why he supports a man that has been outcoached by at least half the managers he encountered and I can't find any other plausible reason.
Barcilliant
Senior Member
Man, it was a huge mistake not to get Klopp when he was available.
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