Messigician
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gettem BBZ
Ernesto Valverde
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Windhook
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Okay, then... what's your point? Valverde was the master of La Liga and Zidane of CL? And which tournament is more prestigious? I believe we all know the answer.
I have to disagree with Lucho losing to Real Madrid left and right as we gave the second best beating at Bernabeu in modern era on Real Madrid after the 2-6 in 2009 with that 0-4 in 2015. Leo Messi was just back from injury and not fit to play a full game and came in the second half with no major contribution.
Overall Lucho's El Clasico record is 3 wins, 2 defeats, 1 draw. And for the record Lucho wasn't sacked, he stepped away due to the pressure of the job or for personal reasons - the illness of his daughter, I can only guess. Lucho is still active and successful as manager, meanwhile where is grandmaster Valverde? The rumour he is Man Utd candidate manager recently sounded like a troll news to pleasure rival Liverpool fans.
Messigician
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You have no point lol
Windhook
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Nice try, kid.
Messigician
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Back to your cave
BBZ8800
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Lucho:
Real:Barca 3:1
Barca:Real 2:1
Real:Barca 0:4
Barca:Real 1:2
Barca:Real 1:1
Real:Barca 2:3
EV:
Real:Barca 0:3
Barca:Real 2:2
Barca:Real 5:1
Real:Barca 0:1
Barca:Real 0:0
Setien:
Real:Barca 2:0
Koeman:
Barca:Real 1:3
Real:Barca 2:1
Barca:Real 1:2
Total:
Lucho: 3 wins, 1 draw, 2 defeats, goals 12:9
EV: 3 wins, 2 draws, 0 defeats, goals 11:3
After EV: 4 matches, 0 wins, 0 draws, 4 defeats, goals 3:9
Real:Barca 3:1
Barca:Real 2:1
Real:Barca 0:4
Barca:Real 1:2
Barca:Real 1:1
Real:Barca 2:3
EV:
Real:Barca 0:3
Barca:Real 2:2
Barca:Real 5:1
Real:Barca 0:1
Barca:Real 0:0
Setien:
Real:Barca 2:0
Koeman:
Barca:Real 1:3
Real:Barca 2:1
Barca:Real 1:2
Total:
Lucho: 3 wins, 1 draw, 2 defeats, goals 12:9
EV: 3 wins, 2 draws, 0 defeats, goals 11:3
After EV: 4 matches, 0 wins, 0 draws, 4 defeats, goals 3:9
Windhook
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Where are the Supercopa 2017 games?
BBZ8800
Senior Member
No.
Regarding Lucho, my point is: we should compare Barca from pre-EV in terms: how did we look like in the last 12 or 18 months before EV?
Because people say that we had Messi and a good team.
Remember that pre-EV:
1. in 2015/16 we were breaking records in autumn and winter and then we almost blew 15 points advantage in the spring and barely won La liga
2. in 2016/17, our bad form from 2016 continued, remember that Lucho couldn't control any away match and he tried 343 because our midfield was lost.
So, in 2016 spring, we were around 10 points behind RM.
And in 2016/17 we were again behind RM.
So, for the last 18 months prior to EV = we were 15 points behind RM.
And then EV comes, and suddenly in the next 24 months, he had 36 points more than the same RM who had 15 points more than us in 18 months prior to him.
Weird, isn't it?
Especially considering that Lucho even had MSN (Neymar) and EV played first season without Neymar, forever injured Dumbele and Coutinho who came in January.
So, when people reply: it was NOT EV, it was our good team who was winning titles, then I ask:
1. how come that we have seen such a dramatic change: from -15 against Real to +36 points infront of Real during EV
2. and when EV left the club, in the next 24 Months, we were:
-5 behind RM (Setien)
-7 behind RM (Koeman)
-15 behind RM (Koeman and Xavi)
So, check the numbers again:
2016 and 2017: Barca is -15 points behind RM
Ernest Valverde: Barca is +36 points infront of RM
After EV: Barca is -27 points behind RM
Maybe Valverde wasn't the worst coach who has ever walked on Earth and didn't deserve to be called Retardo and similar?
Glorified friendlies, and right as he took over the mess that was left to him.
BBZ8800
Senior Member
These are only league matches.
I didn't included Supercopa, or Copa where Ernie also trashed Real.
Windhook
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I respect Valverde a lot, but statements like he was fantastic at his job and meanwhile the disrespect Koeman and Xavi get for dealing with inferior squad compared to EV is not fair. Let's be realistic. And to those two who attempt to troll me in this thread - good luck with keeping this thread alive, outcasts.
You use what you have. Not only did Ernesto beat Real frequently, he did it with an aging Neymar-less squad. People talk about Valverde and his boring football. Guess what, you cannot play tikitaka with the players he had in 2018-2020. No matter who was the coach at that point, you couldnt really play attractive football. Our midfield was old, predictable, not talented and lacking all that precious La Masia talent that once made Barca so great. Ernesto Valverde is a gentleman and an engineer, very similar to Manuel Pellegrini. Would the football under him had been better, had we had prime Iniesta, Xavi, Puyol and all the others? Well, of course it would have been. But we didnt! We sure as heck didnt... Under the circumstances he did as well as any manager could.
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