Ernesto Valverde

[Fati_Future_BallonDor]

Wow wow wow guys

Its a shame that Neymar left before EV came, two trebles in a row, barca would have been the kings of this decade.

 

[Fati_Future_BallonDor]

Lucho:
Real:Barca 3:1
Barca:Real 2:1
Real:Barca 0:4
Barca:Real 1:2
Barca:Real 1:1
Real:Barca 2:3

EV:
Real:Barca 0:3
Barca:Real 2:2
Barca:Real 5:1
Real:Barca 0:1
Barca:Real 0:0

Setien:
Real:Barca 2:0

Koeman:
Barca:Real 1:3
Real:Barca 2:1
Barca:Real 1:2

Total:
Lucho: 3 wins, 1 draw, 2 defeats, goals 12:9
EV: 3 wins, 2 draws, 0 defeats, goals 11:3
After EV: 4 matches, 0 wins, 0 draws, 4 defeats, goals 3:9

i remember the match in 17-18, first clasico in league in bernabeu, Real was struggling and they tried really hard to win that clasico but EV destroyed them 3-0 while Messi gave an assist with one shoe

 

[Fati_Future_BallonDor]

Where are the Supercopa 2017 games?

have to say the super copa games were his first matches and he didnt have enough time to implement his genius ideas, by the way real scored three distance shots

 

[Fati_Future_BallonDor]

No.
Regarding Lucho, my point is: we should compare Barca from pre-EV in terms: how did we look like in the last 12 or 18 months before EV?
Because people say that we had Messi and a good team.
Remember that pre-EV:
1. in 2015/16 we were breaking records in autumn and winter and then we almost blew 15 points advantage in the spring and barely won La liga
2. in 2016/17, our bad form from 2016 continued, remember that Lucho couldn't control any away match and he tried 343 because our midfield was lost.
So, in 2016 spring, we were around 10 points behind RM.
And in 2016/17 we were again behind RM.
So, for the last 18 months prior to EV = we were 15 points behind RM.

And then EV comes, and suddenly in the next 24 months, he had 36 points more than the same RM who had 15 points more than us in 18 months prior to him.
Weird, isn't it?
Especially considering that Lucho even had MSN (Neymar) and EV played first season without Neymar, forever injured Dumbele and Coutinho who came in January.

So, when people reply: it was NOT EV, it was our good team who was winning titles, then I ask:
1. how come that we have seen such a dramatic change: from -15 against Real to +36 points infront of Real during EV
2. and when EV left the club, in the next 24 Months, we were:
-5 behind RM (Setien)
-7 behind RM (Koeman)
-15 behind RM (Koeman and Xavi)

So, check the numbers again:
2016 and 2017: Barca is -15 points behind RM
Ernest Valverde: Barca is +36 points infront of RM
After EV: Barca is -27 points behind RM

Maybe Valverde wasn't the worst coach who has ever walked on Earth and didn't deserve to be called Retardo and similar?

I see BBZ is back to his best. Peak BBZ.

 

[Windhook]

man, i have seen few beat downs here on barca forum, in over ten years, comparable to this that Windhook just received by bbz. what a whipping

no wonder KL is keeping away

What beatdown? We are having a discussion here and BBZ is valuable member. The fact you don't have your own opinion and can't write analysis yourself, buttlicking someone else is funny to me.

 

[BarcaOG]

What beatdown? We are having a discussion here and BBZ is valuable member. The fact you don't have your own opinion and can't write analysis yourself, buttlicking someone else is funny to me.

you produced an absurd claim that BBZ systematically and thoroughly dismantled

that is a beat down

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prime BBZ winning forum d'or

 

[JohnN]

messibois absolutely dismantled, shaken, violently exposed and running for the hills

kingleo nowhere to be seen

lets watch the mental gymnastics

Messi stats under pep, lucho, ev and koeman are actually pretty similar, with a really minor decline as he got older, so he played consistently great under any manager.
What's your point? That Barca were able to beat Madrid in one game without Messi but couldn't even beat getafe 9/10 times if he wasn't playing?

 

[KingLeo10]

I'm convinced OG has a mental disorder. Has been pining for my attention and mentioning me at least 10-20-30 times over the last 24 hours. I would say it's an embarrassing low but he's also done this with Wolfe

And after Cata and I, he's now antagonizing and baiting [MENTION=21912]Windhook[/MENTION].

 

[Morten]

Messi stats under pep, lucho, ev and koeman are actually pretty similar, with a really minor decline as he got older, so he played consistently great under any manager.
What's your point? That Barca were able to beat Madrid in one game without Messi but couldn't even beat getafe 9/10 times if he wasn't playing?

No way was he as great under Betis-man or Koeman as he was under EV, especially not compared to 18/19.

 

[Fati_Future_BallonDor]

I'm convinced OG has a mental disorder. Has been pining for my attention and mentioning me at least 10-20-30 times over the last 24 hours. I would say it's an embarrassing low but he's also done this with Wolfe

And after Cata and I, he's now antagonizing and baiting [MENTION=21912]Windhook[/MENTION].

To be fair you did stalk me from 2017-until now (except a few months) and rassvet lately, what goes around comes around

 

[Rassvet]

To be fair you did stalk me from 2017-until now (except a few months) and rassvet lately, what goes around comes around

tru

 

[Fati_Future_BallonDor]

No way was he as great under Betis-man or Koeman as he was under EV, especially not compared to 18/19.

ya Messi in 17-18 and especially 18-19 was a beast under EV, i mean look 2019 against liverpool at home, do you guys think he would have shown such a performance if Xavi would have been his manager? Ive seen a tactical analysis video on youtube a few days which explained very well how EV's tactic gave Messi the most freedom to get the best out of him. Pep knew how to do it and then EV. Lucho also for one season.

 

[KingLeo10]

To be fair you did stalk me from 2017-until now (except a few months) and rassvet lately, what goes around comes around

My guy, you are the first to rush to any post I make...and have the shamelessness to say I'm the one mentioning you.

Case in point, I only mentioned OG and here you are quoting my post Within what, 10 mins?

 

[BarcaOG]

this coming from a guy who goes out of his way to hunt down the activities of users on other forums and goes through the trouble of going through years of posts to find 'evidence'



idgaf about what you do in other forums or about what you have posted here in the past

you on the other hand cant resist literally stalking other users here to try to 'catch' them

 

[BarcaOG]

Messi stats under pep, lucho, ev and koeman are actually pretty similar, with a really minor decline as he got older, so he played consistently great under any manager.
What's your point? That Barca were able to beat Madrid in one game without Messi but couldn't even beat getafe 9/10 times if he wasn't playing?

messi's stats under pep are "similar" to those under koeman?

? that's a non starter, lol. leo scored 91 goals in a year under Pep, there is nothing even REMOTELY comparable to that in the koeman years