Fati_Future_BallonDor
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He was alao good with Bilbao so i think he will do pretty well with Atletico. As good as Messi and Suarez were in offense he made our defence excellent.
Ernesto Valverde
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He was alao good with Bilbao so i think he will do pretty well with Atletico. As good as Messi and Suarez were in offense he made our defence excellent.
He made the offense work too, neither Messi or Suarez were as good after he left.
serghei
Senior Member
No shit, they got older, slower, lazier, and more demotivated.
soul24rage
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Think he would do well at ATM
Yeah, they got so much older the moment Betis-man took over, heck, Koeman took over about half a year after Valverde was fired and Messi still wasn't the same.
Not a joke, according to this forum you would think Valverde was sacked and then there was a 2-3 years time-span where nothing happened before the next coach came in, when there really wasn't much of a time-span at all, you can't just blame it on "old".
Messigician
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Atl?tico Madrid have now conceded 33 goals in LaLiga this season, the most they have ever conceded in a league campaign under Diego Simeone.
They still have 15 games to play. 🤪
They still have 15 games to play. 🤪
By comparison, in Valverde's first season at Barca they conceded less than that over the entire season.
Messigician
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Stunning
Fati_Future_BallonDor
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After the posts we made about him on barcaforum we didnt deserve him. If Atletico gets him it will be nice fight for the second spot between Real and Barca.
khaled_a_d
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Never understood that logic, why would a different stint would be judgmental to his last one?
Pep never repeated his Barca success, doesn't mean he was overrated or exposed without Messi.
EV can fail with Atletico or win the treble, it changes nothing for what he accomplished here, stabilizing a thinking ship that had clueless captain who was trying to sink it in every possible way.
Rassvet
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Tru. What EV does elsewhere doesn't change the fact that he did great for us just like Zidane flopping at his next job wouldn't mean that he wasn't brilliant at Madrid.
KingLeo10
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[MENTION=11668]khaled_a_d[/MENTION]
I see the point you're trying to make but IMO, separate instances of coaching success/failure do give an idea into the ability of a manager across a multitude of conditions. Otherwise, all we know about the ability of a manager is purely and almost entirely circumstantial.
Your example of Pep kind of buttresses my point. When he left Barcelona in 2012, he had an almost divine standing in the game. But after repeated CL failures at Bayern/City (some his fault, some not), we now put him in the same class as a Klopp for example, and not head and shoulders the best (which he was considered in 2012).
If EV wins a treble/CL with AM, it would actually show that he was carrying the hell out of Barca 17-19. If he fails to win any major trophies with AM (which I think much more likely), it's another piece of evidence that he's just not the manager to put a team over the top.
I see the point you're trying to make but IMO, separate instances of coaching success/failure do give an idea into the ability of a manager across a multitude of conditions. Otherwise, all we know about the ability of a manager is purely and almost entirely circumstantial.
Your example of Pep kind of buttresses my point. When he left Barcelona in 2012, he had an almost divine standing in the game. But after repeated CL failures at Bayern/City (some his fault, some not), we now put him in the same class as a Klopp for example, and not head and shoulders the best (which he was considered in 2012).
If EV wins a treble/CL with AM, it would actually show that he was carrying the hell out of Barca 17-19. If he fails to win any major trophies with AM (which I think much more likely), it's another piece of evidence that he's just not the manager to put a team over the top.
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